I just realized I put 'yards' in my other posts... of course I mean 'feet'.
I keep getting near the top of the shelf and then roll back 10 feet. I took the 3 wood (205), tried to take a little off it and this time went over the pin... but only by 13.5 feet but I tapped the fringe so there's a 5ft penalty... still much, much, better than trying to roll it up with the 3 iron.
2nd try - had 3mph wind at my back, tood 3 iron with top spin and came up 40 feet short BUT i had hit it a little to the right of center.