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Re: Hitting the flagstick

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Tue, Sep 23 2014 10:38 AM (9 replies)
  • SteveP29
    34 Posts
    Mon, Jun 7 2010 5:02 AM

    Here's another one for you.

    In real life golf, more often than not, if the ball is travelling slowly enough and hits the flagstick, it will drop into the hole.

    Every time I see myself or a playing partner hit the flag, it always ricochets away from the hole.

    I know this game is of US origin so do you in the States have wider diameter flagsticks? and is that what you have implemented here?

  • Soulcatcher
    1,970 Posts
    Mon, Jun 7 2010 6:03 AM

    This is a strange one. I have read up on whether or not to pull the flag IRL and it seems to be a split decision.

    What I have decided on is it is more beneficial to pull the flag (IRL). This is based on watching PGA and European Tour events. When the pros are trying to chip in, they always pull the flag.

    So for those shots here, click that flag icon in the top right an pull that pin out.

    Happy hitting

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Jun 7 2010 6:45 AM

    If the speed is right the chip will drop. If you hit the pin and it clanks off the shot was probably too fast. If you think you have a chance to hole your shot pull the pin but you're going to have to use the same finess anyway to hole it. 

    Look at fairway hole outs and holes in one-the pin is there yet the ball still drops.

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Mon, Jun 7 2010 7:31 AM

    Surprised to find the harder the wind blows the less chance of a shot, any shot whether fairway iron, chip, pitch or putt, going in the hole.

    Probably a glitch in WGT code, but this popped up on my screen on Oakmont #1, and I was lucky enough to capture a screenshot before it faded away.

     

    I'm calling it the Virtual Windmill Model.

  • SystemCrash
    209 Posts
    Mon, Jun 7 2010 9:34 AM

    I was thinking the same thing until I documented myself about it:

    Let's say WGT is using the widest flagstick available (3/4 inches), that leaves only 1.75 inches around it.

    1.75 - 1.68 (the ball) = 1/16 of an inch of clearance (about 1.5 the thickness of a penny!)

    If the it is rolling a bit too fast, it will bounce back, but I'll admit, not 2 feet like it does sometimes. That's why, when I chip, I always remove the flagstick unless I chip from the rough and downhill where the odds of missing it are most probable.

    PS: It has been reported sometimes (due to some un-regulatory dimensions, etc.) that a ball was stuck between the stick and the lip. According to USGA, even if the ball is not under the lip of the hole, it is considered holed if it falls in after the stick's removal.

    Rob

  • SystemCrash
    209 Posts
    Mon, Jun 7 2010 9:55 AM

    Hahaha Andy!

    It reminds me of what you find at some cheesy mini-golf courses!

    (That's not me BTW!)

    Rob

  • SteveP29
    34 Posts
    Mon, Jun 7 2010 11:55 AM

    Whenever I've played golf in the real world (23 years now) whether it's through not reading the rule book properly or not, whenever I've played (and all the people I've ever played with, probably about 60) we've always treated the stick the same, ie, if you're off the green, you cannot have the flagstick removed.

    If the ball holes out, then whoever is tending the flag must remove the flagstick from the hole carefully and not pull the ball out with it, or it is deemed not to have been holed.

    Probably a very very petty rule (and more than likely, not a one set in stone), but that seems to be the way golf is played all over the north east of England.

  • TheLighterDark
    1,404 Posts
    Mon, Jun 7 2010 12:55 PM

    I've heard of that as well Steve... over here in US.

  • zagraniczniak
    1,984 Posts
    Thu, Feb 10 2011 6:15 AM

    According to the Rules of Golf:

    17-1. Flagstick Attended, Removed or Held Up
    Before making a stroke from anywhere on the course, the player may have the flagstick attended, removed or held up to indicate the position of the hole.

    If the flagstick is not attended, removed or held up before the player makes a stroke, it must not be attended, removed or held up during the stroke or while the player's ball is in motion if doing so might influence the movement of the ball.

    17-4. Ball Resting Against Flagstick
    When the flagstick is in the hole and a player's ball when not holed rests against it, the player or another person authorized by him may move or remove the flagstick, and if the ball falls into the hole, the player is deemed to have holed out with his last stroke; otherwise, the ball, if moved, must be placed on the lip of the hole, without penalty.

     

    Thus while it seems weird on WGT to be able to remove the flagstick when the player is far from the green, it is OK under the rules.

    Actually I checked this old forum for advice on whether it is generally better to remove the flagstick or not, on any approach shot. I have seen lots of hole-in-one replays where the ball drops even though the stick is there, but I have also noticed on my own replays (alas, no holes-in-one) that when I had pulled the pin it is back in when I run the replay.

    While the pin could deflect a good shot, on the other hand, if the ball was travelling fast enough to deflect it was probably also travelling too fast to drop in, so maybe it ends up closer to the hole after being deflected than it would be if it skipped over the hole and kept rolling.

  • SoCalJim23
    432 Posts
    Tue, Sep 23 2014 10:38 AM

    Interesting comments from you here with respect to (removing Flagsticks).  I agree with your findings here.

    I have noticed, looking at other WGT player's stats......way too many players have too many "Flagstick Hits".  WGT calls it an award, but, not to me.  I'm sort of into stats, so, I spend time looking at other player's stats, awards, etc....you can learn from this info.

    As in real golf, I have always found it best to pull the Flagstick before I make a shot when I know my ball will most likely land on the green.  If I'm hitting a chip shot, flop shot, etc., I click on "putting", this shows me the green's grid and the slopes I'm dealing with.  Then,  I click back to my iron/wedge...pull the Flagstick and hit my ball onto the green.

    I just tend to believe, that by pulling the Flagstick before a shot, it actually improves my chances of putting my ball in the hole.  I have a total of (27) Flagstick hits and approx. 430 ranked rounds.  I've looked at several other players much better than me...with 5,000+ ranked rounds and some of those players have 500 to 700 Flagstick hits.  Wonder how many of those shots would have gone in, had they pulled the Flagstick?

    I do have (1) Double-Eagle...but, of course, it never even crossed my mind to pull the Flagstick on that one....LOL!  I was 257 yards from the hole.  My ball just luckily rolled up on the green and had just enough speed to drop into the hole.  I think if my ball had been moving faster, the ball very well could have bounced off of the Flagstick and ended up several feet from the hole.  I did some research on-line about the PGA & LPGA and "double-eagles".  Interesting that I learned the odds for making a double-eagle are 1 million to 1, while the odds of making a Hole In One are 40,000 to 1.  Yeah, a TON of luck to get one to go in!

     

     

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