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Re: Charting Clubs

• rsse99 19 Posts

  Mon, Jan 13 2014 8:22 AM

  If I were to start charting my clubs what are the best holes to do the following;

  TEE: Looking for the tee with the least elevation/drop to fairway to chart clubs off the tee.

  FAIRWAY: Again lease elevation/drop to the green to try and accurately chart irons with fairway roll and stoppage on green.

  GREEN: Flattest green to chart putter distances

  ROUGH: Looking for a fairly flat green to chart chip/Pitch/Flop from various roughs.

   

  Ryan

• Chinajohn 1,190 Posts

  Mon, Jan 13 2014 5:48 PM

  rsse99:

  If I were to start charting my clubs what are the best holes to do the following;

  TEE: Looking for the tee with the least elevation/drop to fairway to chart clubs off the tee.

  FAIRWAY: Again lease elevation/drop to the green to try and accurately chart irons with fairway roll and stoppage on green.

  GREEN: Flattest green to chart putter distances

  ROUGH: Looking for a fairly flat green to chart chip/Pitch/Flop from various roughs.

   

  Ryan

  Fairways is quite easy, most players use Bethpage Back 9, esp holes 10, 11, 12. go up AND down the fairway and average your distance to balance out the effects of wind and elevation change.

  Tee: there will be some disagreement here, but I use St Andrews #1 but the wind is a PITA, you have to keep restarting until you get a winds in two opposite directions with matching strengths to average out. Warning once you're into the big hitting clubs tailwinds will put you in Swilcairn burn so then you need to find somewhere else. IIRC I used Bethpage #12 or 13 (not sure on that one and can't check from work) for my R1.

  Greens: there aren't any flat greens that I'm aware of, but I used St Andrews #5 and 6 as they have flatish areas a long way from the pin. Again go in opposite directions to get an average.

  Rough: I've never mapped from rough, that just came from experience, trial and error, there are just too many different kinds of rough.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Jan 13 2014 6:17 PM

  I used BPB #3 for a flat green and charting chip/pitch/flop shots.  Also good for 15-20 lie bunker shots.

• Corwyn 2,410 Posts

  Mon, Jan 13 2014 7:01 PM

  Cabo's #6 is arguably the flattest green around (see its use as a test-bed in bhoese's Putter Precision Tests thread, halfway down this page). If the left-side of the green, i.e. near the pin, has the area you need, it's super flat ("ding and in" territory!).

  And, you can get to it quicker (and for free!) via the Best of Par 3's where it's hole #3.

• ozysouthpaw 3,005 Posts

  Tue, Jan 14 2014 12:33 AM

  rsse99:

  GREEN: Flattest green to chart putter distances

  Hard to go past St Andy's #9 for a flat green.

   

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Tue, Jan 14 2014 1:40 AM

  At your level you do not need to spend much time charting (mapping) clubs at all.  Go to Beth 10 and bang a few long irons in with neutral spin, 3/4 and if you must FBS.  Whilst there bang a few other irons up the fway.  Give yourself a good rough idea, and then just sit back and enjoy.  Now get to L59 and the G20 irons then get more serious.  Dist to pin is second only to putting in importance, but with better equipment your time will be better spent.

  Personally I use Beth 10, 11 and 12 restarting until I get a cross wind at 10 at least.  Kiawah 1 is also good but make sure you get a good wind:

  IMO good rest of thread advice to.

• slillico 393 Posts

  Tue, Jan 14 2014 4:32 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  Personally I use Beth 10, 11 and 12 restarting until I get a cross wind at 10 at least.  Kiawah 1 is also good but make sure you get a good wind:

  IMO good rest of thread advice to.

  Good advice but higher levels beware, this yardage will mess you up. ie, you might get a 113 with a pitching wedge after several tries. Not likely going to play that in real world.

  It's good also to take notes in real world. Here is an example of my note taking, I use notepad and keep it minimized and have a file for every course. It's pointless to not save by course and hole.

  4. 237(238) 2 8 OClock Hit 3w 96% 100% BS 4 Yards Long
      237(239) 3 8 OClock Hit 3w 96% 100% BS 3 Yards short Missed ding
      237(245) 11 5 OClock Hit 3w 98% 100% BS 7 Yards short
      237(239) 3 8 OClock Hit 3w 96% 100% BS 7 Yards short

  First number is after elevation, second number is what I figure the yardage is after wind, 3rd number is wind, 4th number is apprx clock direction of wind, next is my shot selection, next is the result of that shot.

  After a while I look back at these and analyse the bad choices. LOL That hole is the first par 3 at beth. 3 iron with the r11 used to be good choice there, now I have to attempt a little more creativity, but that's another story.

  Hope this helps.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Tue, Jan 14 2014 4:42 AM

  slillico:

  Not likely going to play that in real world.

  M8 words out my mouth per a message already(must of crossed) LOL - yep and IMHO general rule don't expect to go to any long hole and play artificial short irons in then see that replicated elsewhere, not at Beth 10 anyway.  

  Could not agree more try and replicate reality (virtual as it is).....:)...V high levels know that (about Beth 10 anyway or think we are talking out back of our proverbials lol) but no harm stating anyway I guess...Best compare a few holes with anything to make sure I guess is key.  Really want to nail it you need notes on each hole etc...........basics but better players would not just go by some yardage chart they would know every hole especially where to aim, have good course management but most of all putt very very well........enough from me lol

  For the OP for this thread advice stands as was.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Jan 14 2014 5:27 AM

  The Pinehurst CTTH is a great way to learn irons. 

   

• nashkurt 173 Posts

  Tue, Jan 14 2014 7:22 AM

  kiawah front 9  1st hole on practice mode has no wind good for mapping clubs