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Re: how about some consistancy with wind and roll

• PKRodgers 24 Posts

  Mon, Mar 17 2014 10:28 AM

  I am willing to grant you that wind conditions and roll conditions on different courses vary, I'm not talking about the difference between courses. I would just like to see consistency from one day to the next playing the same shot with the same wind speed and direction on the same course with same club to get the same ball to do the same thing. Example: lets say you're on a course (pick one) and you have an 18 mph head wind blowing dead in your face and let's say it seems to effect your shot by 6 yds. Ok noted. The next day you may play exact same shot with an 18 mph wind dead in your face and this time it seems to effect your shot 9 yds. Ok you say maybe missed the ding a little more one day or the other. Next day same shot same wind etc. no wind effect at all. Can someone explain that to me. Does WGT tweak the numbers on a daily basis? (If so I might have to consider firing up the xp and finding my 1990 copy of Golden Bear Challenge lol)

• MTBR 182 Posts

  Mon, Mar 17 2014 4:24 PM

  of course it won't be exactly the same why would it?  in real life u cant duplicate the exact same shot so not here... sorry     wish it were that easy....u get within 10 ft for a decent putt( attempt) and thats about it

• MTBR 182 Posts

  Mon, Mar 17 2014 5:25 PM

  after thinking about it i'll give it a try...... ok u said 18 in your face.( 18 is extreme btw)....for it to only affect it 9 yrds u would have to explain which club or distance......it could be a wedge shot or an iron.... top spin would eat thru wind better than bottom...but theres no way to duplicate that... for even 1 yard off is 3 feet on the next putt.... and you or nobody else can get 1 yard on a 50 scale or 100 scale or a 150 scale or a 200 scale.....all we have is 1 pixel difference on the meter which could be as much as 3 yrds or more and thats if u hit a great shot...not counting a lil miss on the ding section...all said and done......when we miss by a pixel or so, it could be 10 ft.off  or more easily

• ApexPC 3,164 Posts

  Mon, Mar 17 2014 5:30 PM

  Is there a rule complainers are required to type solid blocks of text when they post? LOL!

  As mentioned, it not only varies in real life by season and by day, it varies though out the day as the grass grows, changes moisture content, and/or changes temperature.

• PKRodgers 24 Posts

  Wed, Mar 19 2014 8:05 PM

  Do please give it a try. As far as wind speeds and examples, that's exactly what they were...examples. Choose any shot at all on any course and use full swing power with any club you choose, aim at the same spot and note the wind from day to day. Hit the same shot until you ding it in practice mode if you like and take note of where the ball goes and reacts to the wind. I'd be very interested to hear about your results.

• borntobesting 9,772 Posts

  Thu, Mar 20 2014 2:25 AM

  Do you get the same exact results from every shot you take in real life?? No! So why would you expect to do it here? 

• BubbaSauce 260 Posts

  Thu, Mar 20 2014 6:03 AM

  Do you live in a place where when the wind blows, it is a constant speed with no variation?

  I know the wind indicator in the game client shows one speed, but I'd bet that the variances you are seeing are a result of the software randomly varying the wind speed at the time of the shot.

  Even on a real course, if you're playing in to a 18 mph headwind, you can expect it to die down and pick up at any given time. If your shot is high enough, you can also expect that the wind up there will be different than what you are feeling on the ground. The wind will also be different where the ball lands compared to where you are standing.

  The only problem I see here is that the wind speed indicator never waivers. It would be nice if WGT built in the wind speed variance in real time and showed it on the indicator instead of varying the wind behind the scenes at the time of the shot. Even then, you still wouldn't know exactly what the wind was doing 50-100 ft in the air or 150 yds ahead of you.

• ApexPC 3,164 Posts

  Thu, Mar 20 2014 11:04 AM

  This is how the game is designed to work, and it's patented:

  WGTniv:

  The game is pretty simple. 

  Precision controls your accuracy.

  Imagine it's like a circle that surrounds the flagstick when you aim at it.  The size of that circle is related to the precision rating.  The higher the rating the smaller the circle.

  Your ball can land anywhere in the circle on a dinged shot (left or right, long or short).

   It will ALWAYS land in the circle on a ding shot, though sometimes it may land in the center of the circle and sometimes it may land on the very outer edge or anywhere in between those two points.  When it lands on the outer edge this is what you guys have come to know as "the beast".

  Was the shot pre-programmed? Does it know you're standing on the 17th hole at Kiawah?

  No, it's just unfortunate timing.

  The result you see is the logical spread dictated by the precision rating of the club over 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 shots taken on the site.  No matter how big or small the sample it's amazingly consistent because it is after all only a simple mathematical formula.

  The shot data is spread out amongst all users, so there will be times when you run into a lot of "edge cases" (aka deviations, aka outside edge of the precision circle) and times where you seemingly can't miss the center (even when you mishit).

  This is the ebb and flow of the game and it's always been there.  In the short term you will have "bad" days and "good" days.  In the long term (providing they are using the same clubs) any one player will see the same amount of "edge cases" or "deviations" that the rest of the players do.

• PKRodgers 24 Posts

  Sun, Mar 23 2014 7:21 PM

  borntobesting:

  Do you get the same exact results from every shot you take in real life?? No! So why would you expect to do it here? 

  I don't. But what I also don't expect is for a shot into a stiff head wind to go 30 yards beyond any other shot I've ever hit with that club from that spot into that wind