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Thu, Dec 11 2014 12:27 PM (5 replies)
  • flyboy1958
    12 Posts
    Wed, Dec 10 2014 7:38 AM

    firstly ty to all replied to my last post ref slider got a new mouse and works fine.

    Now hope somebody can help with this post as it is driving me and my brother nuts.

    YARDAGES SEEM TO BE OUT ON A NUMBER OF HOLES ON DIFFERENT COURSES.

    We work it out as for example if the hole is say 178yds and you have say a head wind of 13/15 we would add on 5 cause your going into the wind so that would make it 183 and visa versa the other way around if the wind is behind you so in our reckoning its 3 to every one yard added for the wind with me so far good, so how is it yesterday for example on pinehurst we seemed to be out a few times upto 5/6 yds are we not taking something into account? are we doing something wrong most times our way works any ideas would be gratefully received.

  • WGTicon
    12,511 Posts
    Wed, Dec 10 2014 11:53 AM

    flyboy1958:

    firstly ty to all replied to my last post ref slider got a new mouse and works fine.

    Now hope somebody can help with this post as it is driving me and my brother nuts.

    YARDAGES SEEM TO BE OUT ON A NUMBER OF HOLES ON DIFFERENT COURSES.

    We work it out as for example if the hole is say 178yds and you have say a head wind of 13/15 we would add on 5 cause your going into the wind so that would make it 183 and visa versa the other way around if the wind is behind you so in our reckoning its 3 to every one yard added for the wind with me so far good, so how is it yesterday for example on pinehurst we seemed to be out a few times upto 5/6 yds are we not taking something into account? are we doing something wrong most times our way works any ideas would be gratefully received.

    hi

    # of yards to add greatly depends on the balls you use, clubs you use, and spin you hit with. with my clubs, i almost play wind 1 to 1, so with 15 head wind, I add 15. 

    best I can say is, keep practicing and keep detailed notes and try to hit with consistent spin.

    -wgticon

  • ApexPC
    3,164 Posts
    Wed, Dec 10 2014 12:17 PM

    Yep a range of factors have to be considered.

    Head winds reduce roll out (even when using top spin) or add to how much a ball will back up it it's hit with spin.

    Wind with a shot adds to roll out and reduces any back up or stop from backspin.

    So you can't use the same 3 mph of wind = 1 yard factor for both head wind and follow wind.

    One factor we can't account for because of it's randomness is VEM as it relates to the Forgiveness and Precision rating of the equipment you are using.

    VEM

    WGTniv:
    Forgiveness shifts the precision circle left or right (and usually short) depending on how much you mishit and what the forgiveness rating of the club is.  Clubs with lesser forgiveness ratings shift the circle left/right more on mishits.

    This is why (especially on low precision clubs) you can mishit slightly right of the mark and have the ball go left instead.  Mishitting right shifts the circle to the right, but part of the circle is still "leftover" on the left side of the flag, so it has the potential to land there.

    WGTniv:
    The game is pretty simple. 

    Precision controls your accuracy.

    Imagine it's like a circle that surrounds the flagstick when you aim at it.  The size of that circle is related to the precision rating.  The higher the rating the smaller the circle.

    Your ball can land anywhere in the circle on a dinged shot (left or right, long or short).

     It will ALWAYS land in the circle on a ding shot, though sometimes it may land in the center of the circle and sometimes it may land on the very outer edge or anywhere in between those two points.  When it lands on the outer edge this is what you guys have come to know as "the beast".

    Was the shot pre-programmed? Does it know you're standing on the 17th hole at Kiawah?

    No, it's just unfortunate timing.

    The result you see is the logical spread dictated by the precision rating of the club over 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 shots taken on the site.  No matter how big or small the sample it's amazingly consistent because it is after all only a simple mathematical formula.

    The shot data is spread out amongst all users, so there will be times when you run into a lot of "edge cases" (aka deviations, aka outside edge of the precision circle) and times where you seemingly can't miss the center (even when you mishit).

    This is the ebb and flow of the game and it's always been there.  In the short term you will have "bad" days and "good" days.  In the long term (providing they are using the same clubs) any one player will see the same amount of "edge cases" or "deviations" that the rest of the players do.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Wed, Dec 10 2014 12:39 PM

    flyboy1958:
    for example on pinehurst we seemed to be out a few times upto 5/6 yds are we not taking something into account?

    You need to know what the carry of your irons is-not how far it goes but what the distance is to where it first hits the ground. You can't just do simple math like your example and expect it to work. A lot of PH pins are in places where slopes affect the landing quite a bit. You don't get normal roll out because of the way the greens are sloped. 

    The way you're figuring distances with wind is ok but you have to consider where the ball is actually going to land before it starts rolling. PH is tough this way because there's such a small area on the greens that is flat around the pins.

  • JimbeauC
    5,835 Posts
    Wed, Dec 10 2014 12:40 PM

    Well 

    This

    Used to work. 

    Still pretty accurate at StA and RSG. Most US courses the factor is now more like 43% instead of 50. 

    Clubs and balls do make a difference, as noted previously. 

  • flyboy1958
    12 Posts
    Thu, Dec 11 2014 12:27 PM

    thanks for your reply jim, but it should have nothing to do with a flat green or sloping green it states that for example yds to pin say 148 with back spin i would hit a 153 so in theory it should land right by the pin like most holes i play so the green slope should not come into it unless your way of the mark with the ding hope you understand what im getting at jim

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