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Re: Open more Tourneys for Swiss Players Please

• Thambo73 11 Posts

  Mon, Aug 3 2009 2:43 PM

  Hi,

   

  I was just wondering if more tourneys could be opened up for people from Switzerland.

  More often than not, you see the weekly tourneys and there's about 1 or 2 from 8 we can enter.

   

  Thanks

• Snaike 3,678 Posts

  Mon, Aug 3 2009 2:57 PM

  Search over there for "Government "  ---->

  It's International gaming laws that are affecting your ability to compete and win monies and prizes.  WGT is doing what they can, but since every country is different they can only get through one at a time.

  In other words.. it's not WGT's fault you can't play, its your government.

• Faterson 2,902 Posts

  Mon, Aug 3 2009 3:00 PM

    (And having settled Switzerland, the 170+ remaining countries can be looked at, too.)

  Meaning: you are approximately person no. 458,885,871 to make this same suggestion, Thambo73. Consult the Search box to the right.

  Snaike's boilerplate reply is nonsense. He always posts the same reply to this. If WGT really wanted, they could let us play immediately. The solution has been proposed repeatedly: let us play if we're willing to forfeit all prizes prior to entering a tournament. OK, WGTalex has recently said we might have to wait for the remainder of 2009 until all countries can play. OK, that's not so bad and we just need to be patient.

• Snaike 3,678 Posts

  Mon, Aug 3 2009 3:17 PM

  Nonsense?  Hardly.

  That is EXACTLY the reason given by WGT for the limited number of countries eligible to play tournaments for prizes.

  'Proposed repeatedly"??  by how many people, Faterson?  oh yea... 1.

  Just because your government does not allow you to compete for monetary prizes does not give you license to weaken or dilute the game for the rest of us.

  Please spare us.

• Thambo73 11 Posts

  Mon, Aug 3 2009 3:33 PM

  Can i tell you this absolute codswallop.

  You can play for prizes in Switzerland - they have a lottery, you can bet on the horses - hell they even have casinos.

  Who is diluting the game for you - just because we make a request.

  Stop with your holier than thou attitude thanks

• Faterson 2,902 Posts

  Mon, Aug 3 2009 3:40 PM

  Snaike:

  your government does not allow you to compete for monetary prizes

  That's utter nonsense and it does not help if your reiterate it a thousand times.

  I have full understanding for WGT needing to untangle the legal issues first. We can wait until January until they do so, no problem. But my government certainly has nothing to do with it. There are 27 member countries in the EU and if it's "legal" for citizens of countries such as the UK, Germany, and the Netherlands to take part in WGT tournaments, it's almost certainly legal in all the other EU countries, too. WGT just needs to sort out the legal implications, and this needs time, so that's fine and we'll be patient. Just please don't repost your government boilerplate reply in every thread related to this issue.

  As to the governments-independent proposal of let us play if we're willing to forfeit all prizes, you haven't read carefully here, either, as it's been supported by a number of people, not just one person.

• Snaike 3,678 Posts

  Mon, Aug 3 2009 4:36 PM

  "Utter Nonsense", "Codswallop" and "Holier than thou"?  Wow, I have reached a new high today.  It's good to be me.

  Now, honestly you two, do you think for one second that WGT would pass on the monies generated for tournament participation from folks of all countries??!  Do you really think they are that stupid?  Every Tournament is sponsored... You have entry fees on some but you have page ads on all.. every shot hit on every tournament hole adds a bit of revenue to WGT...  That's how they make money.  The buying of clubs, balls, is a recent development.

  So, since WGT is going to make money on EVERY person that enters EVERY tournament, don't you think it would be in WGTs best interest to let in EVERY person that they can?  Hell yes they are.

  Now, some countries can't play tournaments, right?  Do you think that the heads of WGT have a world map up and have a freaking hand full of darts to decide you can and can't play?  Is it a game of Ro-Sham-Bo between Ireland and Sudan to see who gets the honor??  Perhaps it hinges on the finishing order on the last World Golf Championship, or the Open, or some other multi countried event??

  No.  It's not.  Sorry to break it to you.

  Let me reiterate for you....

  IT IS IN WGT'S BEST INTEREST TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE IN AS MANY TOURNAMENTS AS POSSIBLE.

  If your country is not supported, it is because the Legal Staff at WGT has not jumped through all fo the burning hoops that each individual country as set forth for their co-operation.  WGT is not in the business to lose money. 

  Unless and until WGT can satisfy YOUR COUNTRY'S laws/demands/considerations for the awarding of monetary prizes/sweepstakes/games of chance, they must and will deny YOUR COUNTRY's participation in said tournaments.

  Faterson.. as a legal writer, I am shocked that you cannot see this.  Even with your caveat of 'forfieting all prizes" etc, you have to know that there will be much more involved...

  Again. I am sorry that your countries are not elgible for some tournaments, but don't blame WGT, as I am sure they would much rather have everyone participate in every tournament.

  Holier than thou?  No... pragmatic, yes.

• Faterson 2,902 Posts

  Mon, Aug 3 2009 5:00 PM

  Snaike:

  Even with your caveat of 'forfieting all prizes" etc, you have to know that there will be much more involved...

  Nope, I can't see anything. Please specify at least some of the "much more". If the only reason we can't play in these tournaments is that we can't win prizes in them, then by removing that objection, there will be no reason left to prevent our access to the tournaments. Isn't that strictly logical?

  In fact, in support of this view, someone (not me) said in these forums that this would mirror the Pro/Amateur division in real-life golf tournaments. Amateurs participate in Pro tournaments without being eligible to win prizes. So, that's what's being proposed here, until legal issues are resolved world-wide.

  But, it's not the end of the world. If we only need to wait another 4 to 6 months, as intimated by WGTalex in a recent post, that's perfectly OK. We can wait (well, I can) and no improvised solutions need to be implemented.  

• Snaike 3,678 Posts

  Mon, Aug 3 2009 5:50 PM

  I am not saying, in the slightest, that your idea does not have merit. 

  What I am saying is that if it were that simple, don't you think that the bean-counter division of WGT would have already thought of it?

   

• Faterson 2,902 Posts

  Tue, Aug 4 2009 1:53 AM

  Honestly, no. The natural assumption is that if there are tournaments in which prizes are distributed, then everyone who enrolls in a tournament would like to win a prize. It was important to communicate to WGT that there are quite a lot of us who don't primarily care about winning prizes. We'd just like to enter the tournaments to see what our rankings might be & to compete with others. Plus, the playing conditions in tournaments tend to be a bit different from the default courses, so tournaments bring more variety to the game at a time when there are only 2 stroke courses to play.