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Re: handicap tournaments

• tjune2016 588 Posts

  Fri, Jun 17 2016 2:35 PM

  Can some one tell me how to figure out the handicaps of players so i can set up tournaments where the lower tiers have a chance to win against the good players..  TYVM.

• alosso 21,088 Posts

  Fri, Jun 17 2016 6:19 PM

  Some options:

  1) Take their averages as handicaps. Regardless of tier, same number has some relevance to same strength. Before I get beaten: This is only an approximation.

  2) Install and maintain a handicap system (e.g. like the USGA's), monitor the scores and calculate a HCP.

• JimbeauC 5,835 Posts

  Mon, Jun 20 2016 12:06 PM

  alosso:

  2) Install and maintain a handicap system (e.g. like the USGA's), monitor the scores and calculate a HCP.

  I do this, but since I'm only concerned with unevens in my CC, it isn't as daunting as it would be on a large scale. You could do this after the fact and only compute those who actually participated in the tournament. Having signups prior would work even better, since probably most of the people in your CC don't bother to read the forums. 

  It helps to be good with spreadsheets and copy/paste. 

  One fairly simple way would be to go to score history of the individual to be calculated, and cursor down to the 20th round played. Reverse select from bottom to top, copy, then paste into the spreadsheet. Of course, you'd have to remove the unwanted clutter and any CTTH scores in there. Double the 9 hole scores.

  Then to at least approximate the USGA, sort the scores by value and only address the best 10 for average. To further imitate USGA, multiply by .96. This doesn't bring to bear difficulty of courses played, an important and confusing part of the USGA system, but if someone is a red tee ranger or back of StA specialist, they're only hurting themselves in the competition, by having an inflated HC.

  Wouldn't it be nice if WGT did this for us and made it a part of our stats?

• JimbeauC 5,835 Posts

  Mon, Jun 20 2016 10:48 PM

  JimbeauC:

  Wouldn't it be nice if WGT did this for us and made it a part of our stats?

  So, don't get your hopes up. I went ahead and sent this as a suggestion to WGT. The first response was favorable.

• hakman123 2,119 Posts

  Mon, Jun 20 2016 11:29 PM

  Simply looking at a persons stats and score history does not give a good handicap system due to the vastly different difficulty level of course set-up from one game to another.

  Here is how I do it:-

  Take leaderboard information from a series of recent Single Play CC tournaments.

  Give the winner a score of  0      in each round

  For others - give them a score of 1 for each stroke they are behind over 18 holes

        or  2  for each stroke they are behind over 9 holes  (convert to 18 hole equivalent)

  Kill the highest 20% of scores for every member (so a bad round does not blow out h/cap and prevent sand-bagging)

  Average the rest of the scores and multiply by 0.8 to get your handicap.

  Only count the most recent 20 scores for each member / older scores drop out.

  Making the leading scorer of each round the "0-mark" ensures that easy and hard tournaments are automatically standardized.

  We have been using this for about 18 months, and it really evens up the field.

  Good Luck

  Happy Hacking

  Neil (The Hakman)

   

  Edit >>   I update the club handicaps around the 1st week of each month.  A very helpful spreadsheet fairy (to whom I am forever grateful) developed a macro to c&p the whole leaderboard into a data dump page, it then checks this has not already been loaded, and then updates all the new numbers with a single button click - takes me about an hour to load every CC tournament for the month and update the handicaps. Manually it took maybe 12 hrs.

   

• Mandlebrot 521 Posts

  Thu, Jun 23 2016 6:00 AM

  We have handicaps in The Golf Wizards Golf Club.