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Re: More Pro Shop data errors

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Nov 11 2009 1:30 PM

  tibbets:

  YJ, If you haven't tried them how would you know? :)

   

   

  I started by saying that it was observation based only.

  The accuracy of those 3 irons isn't the same. I'm assuming it also affects the spin capability-would make sense because I saw the difference by using it (the 85 yd w) until I got master and rearranged my club scheme. 

  I would bet this difference is lost on the vast majority here anyway. I'm happy by thinking I have what I have-seems to work.

  YJ

  ....and yes, I do play but 5-10 under bogey golfers have no business thinking they can spin the ball!   ;-)

   

• Infinito3010 3,689 Posts

  Thu, Nov 12 2009 11:46 PM

  I should say at the beginning and only looking at the performance charts the only conclusion I could make was that the Z-Satin wedges are a superior wedge. 

  Now after reading almost everything in the forums and coming across the discussion with the Ping Tour W wedges I decided to give one a try.  There is no comparison, in both trajectory and stopping capability as the result of increase spin rate.  Thus I got the 64° Tour W Pro and the 60° Tour W master wedges.  Like them tremendously.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Nov 13 2009 5:32 AM

  What wedges were you using previously? Were they the high precision ones? I'm curious because I'm not sure how you can improve stopping capability. Stopped is stopped. I like the way the Satins back up.

  I'd try the "new" Ping wedges but would be bummed if it turns out they do the same thing as what I have, just from a different distance.

  YJ

   

• SLASHX 278 Posts

  Fri, Nov 13 2009 6:03 AM

  tibbets:

  The Ping wegdes have always had more spin capability than the Taylormade wedges because the trajectory of the Ping wedges(and irons for that matter) are higher.  The same reasoning explains why the Ping G10 Master set has more spin capability than the Taylormade Preferered iron set.  It's all in the trajectory.

   

  While i agree with everything you you have said about the clubs spin characteristics i would have to disagree with the reasoning for it. 

  Your logic is spot on if this were a real world scenario because the trajectory of the shot would of course influence the ability to put spin on the ball but this is not the case with WGT-land. The starter wedges have high trajectory as well but they cant come close to putting spin on the ball like the lower trajectory Taylor made wedges because the "spin" characteristic can be and most likely is added to the club as a separate characteristic regardless of the trajectory of the club... basically what i am saying is the programmer could make your R9 driver have backspin if he programmed it to do that.

  You would think that these guys have data as to what characteristics each club is programmed to have and could maybe make an attempt to come close to making it accurate in the pro shop description... but maybe that's asking too much.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Nov 13 2009 7:12 AM

  SLASHX:

  You would think that these guys have data as to what characteristics each club is programmed to have and could maybe make an attempt to come close to making it accurate in the pro shop description

  I think Tibbets is onto this. I believe he has actually used the real clubs on a real course (correct me if I'm wrong, T.) He referenced this earlier in this thread. 

  Looking at club specs on a piece of paper and turning that into a game copy, technically accurate, would rely on the info being accurate. A real golfer,  also good at this game, would see discrepancies if they also physically try it on a real course.

  Advantage Tibbets.

• SLASHX 278 Posts

  Fri, Nov 13 2009 7:33 AM

  Whoa....hang on. I think you misunderstood what i was saying. I wasn't saying hewas wrong and that the WGt descriptions were correct... i was saying you would think that since WGT has the programming data that the least they could have done was correctly advertise the clubs they sell. I agree with Tibbets that the clubs perform exactly how he said they perform i just disagreed with why they perform that way.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Nov 13 2009 1:53 PM

  I'm with you Slash-

  WGT is just putting out there what they have which they probably think is right. Tibbets is saying wait a minute-this aint right. He is pointing out the difference between the supposed better rated spin Taylors versus the Pings. By his playing both of them for real he  would be a little more credible than what the programmer has in front of him/her to work off of.

  They're listening-the loft spec has already been acknowledged.

• salamii 1,058 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2009 8:05 AM

  Hey fellas, discrepancies have been a part of this game from day 1. I believe this will never change. If everything was as it should be the game would become predictable and everyone would shoot 58 all the time.. Last night I hit my 98 wedge with full backspin and a 5mph tail on a hole that normally plays longer.  The ball traveled 106 yards to my horror, go figure. The sd ball stuck like glue so it didn't add any run yardage.   The best advice I could give you is take your par and move on. And who knows, your next miss click  might give you that first Ace. :)