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Re: This may sound simple

Sun, Oct 29 2017 9:54 PM (9 replies)
  • Woodie312
    671 Posts
    Sun, Apr 9 2017 7:28 AM

    As a country club owner I spend a great deal of time making tourneys, and to be fair to all skill levels in our club I make tourneys split between different tiers. Normally Pro-Master & TM-Champion, all of this is really due to the putting speeds. While a TP may not have the highest grade equipment he still gets a huge tee advantage in alot of holes which you would think ought to even things out. But it does not because of the green speed!

    I would like to see the ability in CC Tournament creation of selecting "default" green speed in additon to being able to select default tees.

    I think this would allow us to set up club wide tourneys which  would be a little more evenly matched, and all members could compete in one tourney.

  • Premed
    776 Posts
    Sun, Apr 9 2017 3:03 PM

    A reasonable suggestion I would think

  • K7JBQ
    1,468 Posts
    Sun, Apr 9 2017 5:32 PM

    Very reasonable suggestion. To help even things up, I usually stipulate a green speed of 10 in our tournaments. Slow enough so the lower level players aren't overwhelmed, fast enough so the higher level players don't have to go crazy. But yes, allowing default green speeds would be a real improvement.

  • AlaskanDame
    19,532 Posts
    Sun, Apr 9 2017 6:09 PM

    +75

  • turfsand
    1,773 Posts
    Mon, Apr 10 2017 12:27 AM

    +1

  • lonniescott711
    4,206 Posts
    Wed, Apr 12 2017 12:37 PM

    Woodie312:

    As a country club owner I spend a great deal of time making tourneys, and to be fair to all skill levels in our club I make tourneys split between different tiers. Normally Pro-Master & TM-Champion, all of this is really due to the putting speeds. While a TP may not have the highest grade equipment he still gets a huge tee advantage in alot of holes which you would think ought to even things out. But it does not because of the green speed!

    I would like to see the ability in CC Tournament creation of selecting "default" green speed in additon to being able to select default tees.

    I think this would allow us to set up club wide tourneys which  would be a little more evenly matched, and all members could compete in one tourney.

    Not to jack your thread but would also be nice to pick the pin placements to change things up as well . Since we can choose the tee set up why not the pins as well .On the courses with the 2 pin placements be able to set the events up switching between the 2 giving the players a different look of play .

     

  • Woodie312
    671 Posts
    Sun, Oct 29 2017 4:27 PM
    bump
  • borntobesting
    9,700 Posts
    Sun, Oct 29 2017 6:49 PM

    It might be nice but playing on the faster green speeds will help the players in the long run. They will know how to putt on the fastest green speeds when that is their default speed.

  • Woodie312
    671 Posts
    Sun, Oct 29 2017 8:40 PM
    borntobesting:

    It might be nice but playing on the faster green speeds will help the players in the long run. They will know how to putt on the fastest green speeds when that is their default speed.

    I agree with that idea, and I habitually tried to match up with higher tiered opponents when playing stroke play matches nightly. But the idea here is to try to make our Country Club tournaments a more level playing field for all. It is not fair to expect a Pro or Tour Pro tiered player to reasonably compete against Legends and up on greens with a speed of 13, even with the huge tee box advantage they get on many courses. They don’t have access to the equipment that we do, and won’t for some time. Nor do I think it is fair to expect them to be able to compete against the same players on greens with speeds of 9 or 10. Once again we (the upper tiered players) can stick an approach shot a lot closer on a more regular basis due to our equipment.

     

    Say what you want about practice and experience, but it is the balls and clubs we use that allow us to be as repetitive as we are on shots. I am not saying the practice and experience are wasted, quite the contrary they are an integral portion of the learning curve. In fact, they probably are really more important than the equipment, but I still say the equipment gives us an almost impossible to overcome edge.

     

    We hold a monthly 9-hole tournament using the “set of the week” clubs from the medium tee’s and green speeds of 10. We request everyone to use one of the special balls (i.e. fireworks, champagne, beer, cat, hearts, etc.). Guess what almost always 3 of the top 5 are players are Master or below & level 55 or less.

  • GolfingSeti
    92 Posts
    Sun, Oct 29 2017 9:54 PM
    +1. Well thought out and a great suggestion, my friend.
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