I agree 110 percent with both of you..my only reason for suggesting it at all was that I thought it might make it a little easier for the people who have never played the real game and who have no idea about club selection, wind, crosswinds, etc. I play in real life, 67 yrs old now with a 4 handicap..not bad for an old fart...anyway, I just got tired of reading the crap from those people who come on whining and complaining about how hard it is and threatening to quit, etc...I personally love a tough course..the harder the better...that was all guys, ...personally, I am of the opinion if they don't like it...just go away. I guess some people don't like free and you do have to pay a little to get better...if you don't...might as well quit, huh.