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Re: Course Builder

• DoctorLarry 4,311 Posts

  Sat, May 18 2019 4:10 PM

  YankeeJim:

  p.s., He's right, though. You can build all you want for nothing but it takes 400 credits to actually publish and play it. Nice thing going, though-you can use 4 different courses in 1 tourney and only pay for one. 4 rounds on 4 different custom courses. 400 credits. Cheap. LOL

  alosso:

  There are two permissions: "Manage Custom Courses" to create+edit them, and "Publish Tournaments with Custom Courses".

  YankeeJim:

  Yes and this is confusing, too. Basically, if you don't see custom courses in the drop down list when you go to create a tournament, you need to have the CC owner set the permission to publish for you.

  Currently I can see the custom courses already built, and use them in a tourney I host.  But I can not build one.  I guess that means I have one permission but not the other?  

  Is the following correct?

  1.  I need owner to set a permission for me to build and publish a new custom course.

  2.  I can then build a custom course, and then shell out 400cr to have it published.

  3.  Anyone with the proper permission can then use the custom course in a tourney - if that separate permission is set for them.

  For #2, is that the last time one must pay for the course?  I know I have set up tournaments using 4 different existing custom courses and paid nothing but the purse.

  Sometimes I think I should start a CC just to learn what all goes on and what an owner sees and controls.  :-0

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, May 18 2019 5:27 PM

  DoctorLarry:

  For #2, is that the last time one must pay for the course?

  You don't pay to make the course, only to use it. And it costs 400 credits every time.

  DoctorLarry:

  Sometimes I think I should start a CC just to learn what all goes on and what an owner sees and controls. 

  This should make it clear......

  

   

• DoctorLarry 4,311 Posts

  Sat, May 18 2019 7:14 PM

  Thanks.  I guess I can keep my 50cr in the bank!  Or get you 5 sleeves of 10cr balls!

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Sat, May 18 2019 10:45 PM

  DoctorLarry:

  Is the following correct?

  [snip]

  This is a mix-up of correct and incorrect guesses.One reason may be that the product "Course Builder" is not used in connection with building a course but only later.

  Let me put it together AFAIK:

  1) To build and edit a Custom Course, you need to be in a membership class with the "Manage Custom Courses" permission from your owner. No further costs involved, but there's a 10 courses limit for each CC.

  To make it complicated, only the player creating a course can later delete it IIRC.

  2) To publish a tourney with a Custom Course, your membership class needs the "Publish tournaments" permission from the owner. Furthermore, you need a Course Builder @400 cr for each tournament, whether it contains one or multiple Custom Courses.

  Apparently, you need no entry fee nor extra purse for these tournaments.

   

• DoctorLarry 4,311 Posts

  Sun, May 19 2019 12:24 AM

  alosso:

  DoctorLarry:

  Is the following correct?

  [snip]

  This is a mix-up of correct and incorrect guesses.One reason may be that the product "Course Builder" is not used in connection with building a course but only later.

  Let me put it together AFAIK:

  1) To build and edit a Custom Course, you need to be in a membership class with the "Manage Custom Courses" permission from your owner. No further costs involved, but there's a 10 courses limit for each CC.

  To make it complicated, only the player creating a course can later delete it IIRC.

  2) To publish a tourney with a Custom Course, your membership class needs the "Publish tournaments" permission from the owner. Furthermore, you need a Course Builder @400 cr for each tournament, whether it contains one or multiple Custom Courses.

  Apparently, you need no entry fee nor extra purse for these tournaments.

   

  Now I see why the term "builder" is not only confusing, but wrong.

  With all the permissions defined/attained, I guess (there I go again!) that "publishing" a tournament is what WGT calls "creating" a tournament.  Our CC had 38 course builders, the last time I looked, so I guess they allow the creation/publishing of a tournament with custom courses included with no additional credits from the host.

  I think I will just host red-tee tournaments on Kiawah Island.  ;-)

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Sun, May 19 2019 1:54 AM

  DoctorLarry:

  Now I see why the term "builder" is not only confusing, but wrong.

  With all the permissions defined/attained, I guess (there I go again!) that "publishing" a tournament is what WGT calls "creating" a tournament.

  They have a history showing that they don't lay all terms they create on gold scales ;)

  DoctorLarry:

  Our CC had 38 course builders, the last time I looked, so I guess they allow the creation/publishing of a tournament with custom courses included with no additional credits from the host.

  True. It shows "so many Builders available" and uses one of these!

  I can't tell if you get a detour through the Pro Shop if none is available, or if you have to buy one on behalf of the CC before.

• FoundDaBunker 579 Posts

  Mon, May 20 2019 7:13 PM

  alosso:

  DoctorLarry:

  Is the following correct?

  [snip]

  1) To build and edit a Custom Course, you need to be in a membership class with the "Manage Custom Courses" permission from your owner. No further costs involved, but there's a 10 courses limit for each CC.

   

  Hey alosso,

  I wonder why WGT would only allow a club 10 custom courses? I've already created 2 for the club myself and at least 2 more have been created by 2 of my members, so that means for the 'lifetime' of my CC can have a maximum of 6 more custom courses?