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Re: Why does this happen?

• tiffer67 1,764 Posts

  Mon, Jul 18 2011 9:34 AM

  I hate this when it happens. Nothing personal against JJ656, I'm well used to him pipping me to 1st place :^)

  I click on my score via my profile, scroll down and see the right hand avatar and the no. 1 beside it. I immediately look to the left hand side avatar to check that it's the same, bingo, meaning I have won. I then get 2 seconds joy until I scroll further down to look at the other scores and I see I haven't won :^(

  

• sdorr 650 Posts

  Mon, Jul 18 2011 9:59 AM

  I have been in the same situation many times and it all boils down to how many times you try in the tournament. WGT has a complicated system of somehow taking the total number of the last nine holes and figuring out what the best score is based on the total back nine scores.

  Basically, this case, JJ656 had a lower back nine stroke count than you. So even though you both posted scores of 28, he won.

  The only way I know of to stay on top is once you reach the top of the leader board, stop playing until someone beats your score. The best example I have is my own. I entered in the Oakmont monthly unlimited stroke thingy. My first round was terrible, my second round got me to second place, and my third any final round got me to the top with a -8. I just sat there and didn't play again. There were two others who matched my -8 by the time the tournament ended and I won because I had the lowest number of combined strokes on the back nine by only playing three rounds.

  Perhaps someone else can explain it better, but I believe that's how it works.

• tiffer67 1,764 Posts

  Mon, Jul 18 2011 10:21 AM

  sdorr thanks for the reply and answer. However this is the leader board from a single play front 9 ready go, so your explanation wouldn't be applicable in this scenario.

  The why? is more a query as to how the application displays one player as the winner, yet underneath shows another?

  JJ656 obviously wins the tournament on count back, I have no problem with that, you win some you lose some that way. It's just annoying to think you have won only to discover you haven't.....

• stephencrs 6 Posts

  Mon, Jul 18 2011 10:35 AM

  tiffer67, chances are that wgt adopt the same procedures as they do in any golf club. In the event of a tie they go to a countback, ie back 9, back 6, back 3 etc.. 

• jeffdos924 1,085 Posts

  Mon, Jul 18 2011 10:49 AM

  sdorr:

  The only way I know of to stay on top is once you reach the top of the leader board, stop playing until someone beats your score. The best example I have is my own. I entered in the Oakmont monthly unlimited stroke thingy. My first round was terrible, my second round got me to second place, and my third any final round got me to the top with a -8. I just sat there and didn't play again. There were two others who matched my -8 by the time the tournament ended and I won because I had the lowest number of combined strokes on the back nine by only playing three rounds.

  Perhaps someone else can explain it better, but I believe that's how it works.

  Interesting thinking, actually, sdorr but that's not how it works. WGT has a clearly defined tie-breaker formula listed in the tournament rules. If there is no clear winner after going through each tie breaker, you would have been declared the winner just because you were the first to post a score, not because you made fewer attempts.

   

• sdorr 650 Posts

  Mon, Jul 18 2011 11:18 AM

  jeffdos924:

  WGT has a clearly defined tie-breaker formula listed in the tournament rules.

  Clear as mud to me lol. I have read the tie-break formula several times and I keep walking away with the notion that the fewest combined strokes of a player on the total back nine holes played, wins the tie. It seemed to work in my case because there was already someone in the tournament I entered at -8, when I finished my third round with -8 I was on top of the leader board. When the third person reached -8 on the second to last day of play, he was actually #3 in line. So hey, go figure.

  I'm only guessing at best brother.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Jul 18 2011 12:01 PM

  I think it works out like this, they work backwards for back 9, i.e if tiffer birdies first 8 holes, but parred 9, his opponent parred 1st, but birdied all the rest, he would go top.  I'm sure its a count back from 9 down

  so if scorecard was like this:

  tiffer :    1      2         3         4       5       6         7          8      9

              par  birdie  par   bde     par    bde    bde    bde   bde    tiffer        30

              bde   bde    bde    bde   par   bde     par     par    bde   opponent  30

  Tiffer would go top as his countback is a better score than opponent as he birdied the 3 holes from 9 back, his opponent only managed a birdie then 2 pars.  so tiffer, maybe the hole you missed your birdie on was 8, your opponent 4, or maybe you both parred 4, your opponent also parred 1, but eagled 5, this would make him top with better countback score.

• tiffer67 1,764 Posts

  Mon, Jul 18 2011 1:07 PM

  Guys thanks for your input but I realise how countback works and have no problems in losing to JJ656 in this fashion. I have won as many RGs in this fashion as I have lost. Incidently the 2nd was the only hole I didn't birdie, which suggests that JJ eagled the 5th and birdied in from there.

  The point I am making is that the graphics above the actual leaderboard say tiffer67 has won but the leaderboard shows JJ656 as winner. This shouldn't happen and I want to know why it does happen frequently, this isn't the first time it's happened to me :^)

• sdorr 650 Posts

  Mon, Jul 18 2011 8:42 PM

  tiffer67:

  The point I am making is that the graphics above the actual leaderboard say tiffer67 has won but the leaderboard shows JJ656 as winner.

  Again, not sure about the answer, but maybe because there are two of you with identical scores, you each show up as the leaders. On your computer, it shows you as #1, on JJ656 computer it probably shows him as #1, if there were a third individual with a leading tie score it would show him as #1 on his computer.

  I don't know man, it is confusing.