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Re: Different balls act different from tee to green

• BWerthy 1,009 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2020 12:39 PM

  I mapped the l33 Callaways for my clubs shortly after purchasing the clubs, sometime in July or August, and only mapped from the tee because I hadn’t heard there was a difference of tee vs fairway.

  When I moved up to Legend at the end of August, I was told that certain courses would be too short for those balls. I decided the best for my price range was the L48 TM

  i mapped the L48 as well, only from the tee.  Then I started having inconsistencies with the shots from the fairway and then learned that tee shots are slightly longer than shots from the fairway.  I then mapped them from the fairway  it has helped but now the distances are all in between where I am hitting from the fairway and I tend to have to hit less than full shots with an unpredictable outcome  

  The issue seems to me for myself is that the L48 do react differently from the tee vs the fairway, but the L33 Callaways do not have this problem.  

  I do like the distance off the tee from the L48 but what I don’t like are the fairway distances for the clubs. I am typically either a half club too long or a half club too short based on the distances I have mapped. It has made me terribly inconsistent when approaching the green.   has anyone found this also to be the case for them?  

  Does this mean that I should check out a different ball to see how it reacts with my clubs and if the distances work better for my game?  Or should I spend more time with the L48 and see how to work with them better?  

  TIA 

• Miantiao 401 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2020 8:07 PM

  BWerthy:

  Does this mean that I should check out a different ball to see how it reacts with my clubs and if the distances work better for my game?  Or should I spend more time with the L48 and see how to work with them better?  

  The lvl 48 and 61 TMs play pretty much the same as the Callaway lvl 33. All three balls have a 3.5 spin rating. 

  Good wedges will play a little longer, and tee shots play longer for the lvl 48s and 61s than for lvl 33 Callys.

  I think you'll find two factors that are causing you some frustration:

  Firstly, not all approaches are the same. There are more than a few approaches that either play long or short, and a few long approaches where elevation calc is not needed at all.

  Secondly, my 8 iron doesn't need an addition of 5 yards to account for yardage loss due to spin, but my 7 iron loses up to 8 yards with full bs. Your individual clubs will play differently regardless of which ball you use. 

  Importantly, map all your clubs in low and high headwind and tailwind to give you a good idea of yardage gained or lost for individual irons. 

  I used the lvl 33 Callys for a long time before using the lvl 48TMs and then 61TMs. All three balls play similarly. 

• Cicero733 2,309 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2020 8:13 PM

  Try mapping with different levels of spin,  both from the tee and from the fairway. Also look at different percentages of power like 9 iron, FBS @ 100%, 95%, and 90%. Do this for all your irons, 3 through 9.  It will use up some balls and take some time, but should help you address the distance issues

• HackWilson1930 1,437 Posts

  Tue, Oct 27 2020 6:14 AM

  A ball struck from the tee does not have any grass to imped it on its journey. Some courses even allow for players to use tees from the fairway under their winter or inclement weather rules.

  Thus WGT tries to mimic the real golf.

   

• BWerthy 1,009 Posts

  Tue, Oct 27 2020 8:29 AM

  Thanks, I’m from Oregon, winter rules from October to May.  Well that wasn’t my question, but thanks for trying.  Because as I said, it is different for these different balls. And I doubt we have winter rules in this game. I can’t remember every having to remove a plugged ball 

• el3n1 4,502 Posts

  Tue, Oct 27 2020 8:54 AM

  BWerthy:

  I hadn’t heard there was a difference of tee vs fairway.

  only been posted about numerous times, in the forum, in our club forum and I even attempted to make a chart to help mobile players in particular with keeping track of mapping notes with 2 different setups - one with default clubs and one with apparel altered clubs (PEC) that I also posted in both of those places and included on my blog for awhile.  

  whenever I shared numbers with members in our mobile forum on use of a cheaper ball for coin games, I post 2 sets of numbers one for fairway and one for tee shots.

  now it is possible you missed all of those, but it has been shared.  

• BPeterson8256 2,911 Posts

  Tue, Oct 27 2020 8:57 AM

  BWerthy:

  The issue seems to me for myself is that the L48 do react differently from the tee vs the fairway, but the L33 Callaways do not have this problem.  

  TIA 

  Welcome to learning the game. 😉

  Are you comparing the balls on the same course in the same circumstance? One of the things that frustrates many players is that every hole and every circumstance plays slightly different, sometimes drastically different. Even from the tee, there are holes that my 3 iron (225Y) will struggle to go 225, yet there are other holes I can easily carry 240. 

  Staying consistent with the ball you use and the way you play your shots helps eliminate some variation, but you still need to learn the differences of how every hole plays. If you find the Callaways to play in a way that you find consistent, then you should probably stick with them. #my2cents

  Brett

• BWerthy 1,009 Posts

  Tue, Oct 27 2020 12:22 PM

  Miantiao:

  <p>I used the lvl 33 Callys for a long time before using the lvl 48TMs and then 61TMs. All three balls play similarly.&nbsp;</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>

  Thanks Miantiao, for your suggestion and insight. It isn’t the different approaches to each different hole, those unique to each hole play similarly each time, I’m just adjusting to the L48 playing different from the fairway as compared to the Callaways which do not need to be mapped from the fairway, at least for myself. 

  BPeterson8256:

  Are you comparing the balls on the same course in the same circumstance? One of the things that frustrates many players is that every hole and every circumstance plays slightly different, sometimes drastically different. 

  Staying consistent with the ball you use and the way you play your shots helps eliminate some variation, but you still need to learn the differences of how every hole plays. If you find the Callaways to play in a way that you find consistent, then you should probably stick with them. #my2cents

  Brett

  Thanks for the response Brett.  

  I have not tried to play them in the exact same scenario.  And I definitely know certain holes play long or short, are protected by the trees and a strong wind might have much less effect, but  I just began to notice the differences between the fairway and tee shots for the TM and not the Callaways and wondered what some suggestions were outside of mapping from the fairway, since I have done both now.  The fairway yardages just seem to never have me hitting full shots on approach shots. 

  It could just be I haven’t had enough time playing with them as well as learning the variations of each hole and learning the intricacies of the balls and club combo.  I definitely agree that I should stick to one ball, I am only 2 months into being a legend, so I don’t have that many rounds in using the TMs.   I think I need to go do some more mapping using 1/2 BS as well to see what my other numbers are.  I am liking the distance and slow meter, the yardages weren’t fitting my eye, but maybe I don’t have enough numbers yet to be as consistent as I’d like to be. 

  Thanks for all the suggestions and advice. I’ll try and play these balls consistently for a while and not switch back and forth and see if that helps also. 

• Miantiao 401 Posts

  Wed, Oct 28 2020 4:52 AM

  BWerthy:

  The fairway yardages just seem to never have me hitting full shots on approach shots. 

  Rarely is a full shot required on any approach with two exceptions:

  1. When the calc works to an iron's distance rating.

  2. Using a percentage of backspin that isn't full.

  Mike