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Re: Ready-go by tier AND average

• jayjonbeach 689 Posts

  Mon, Feb 1 2010 8:02 PM

  This has been sort of suggested before, and I know the response from WGT was that each tier plays from its own tee box, but really, the same people are always winning these piling up the credits while most others just get taken along for the ride.

  At the minimum like many have suggested, tiers should be seperated, lets level the field and give everyone a chance no?

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  To have it even more fair, the people that are Masters with 56 - 62 average should compete with each other, since they are the ones at the top of their game and VERY hard for anyone to beat. These people enter any RG and they come in top 5 consistency.

  Masters 63 + could then compete with each other, on a more fair basis.

  Pros 65 - 72

  Pros 72 - 80 etc

  Yes there are some downfalls to this second option, it does encourage sandbagging for one, though that is already a problem (that can hopefully be addressed) and it will be harder to fill up the tourneys, maybe the bigger issue and maybe for the top Master tier, you limit the number to 20 or 30 to a full tourney and change the payout accordingly.

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  I think the first option is mandatory, JMO, the second one I'm just throwing it out there, I know some people wont like it, some might even hate it since easy money will be taken away, I think its more fair overall and the small issues that were mentioned can be tweaked to accomodate it.

  The current system is really a rich get richer scheme, which doesnt sit well with many of us....

• OaktheToke 409 Posts

  Mon, Feb 1 2010 8:39 PM

  Ready-Go tiers will take sandbagging to epic proportions.   100 times what it is now.  All the winners of the lower level tiers will be sandbagging Masters.  It would be complete mayhem.

  People sandbag now for crappy credits in the weeklies.  Can you imagine the possibility to Sandbag and get up to 3300 credits every 12 hours?

  The way it is now discourages sandbagging because sandbaggers are going up against harsher competition.   They have no advantage like they do in the weeklies and in match play.  

  I get what your saying and respect your opinion, but the way it is now works.  If one wants a shot to win or score decent enough to place then one will have to improve his/her game.  As it stands now, a score of par to -1 will most likely get a person half their investment back and a score of -2 will most likely have them break even.

  Being able to place higher in these tournys is a great motivation to improve.  I know it has helped me get better.

  Perhaps there's something else they can do for players in lower tiers, but I believe that the more they make credits available to these tiers, the lower the integrity will be of that level of play.

  :)

• lilrob88 870 Posts

  Mon, Feb 1 2010 10:26 PM

  Masters do not have an advantage in any ready go they enter in my opinion. feel free to argue.

  Pros play on the same level playing field as master players do. the club to distance ratio is very much the same. Pros have the forward tee box.

  Any pro can go just as low as a master at any point.

   

• jayjonbeach 689 Posts

  Mon, Feb 1 2010 10:44 PM

  lilrob88:

  Masters do not have an advantage in any ready go they enter in my opinion. feel free to argue.

  Pros play on the same level playing field as master players do. the club to distance ratio is very much the same. Pros have the forward tee box.

  Any pro can go just as low as a master at any point.

  The main point is the skill levels are not equal.  

  Masters typically shoot 28 - 33 , roughly and most of the time, not all the time

  Pros shoot 32 - 37, roughly

  Not sure how that can be conceived as a fair match up

• ncviz 527 Posts

  Tue, Feb 2 2010 12:55 AM

  Agree with Oak 100%. This gives a reason for sand baggers to see the light and get up to the tier they should be at. If they want to continue to stay in the Pro tier, fine, but just know you will be costing yourself credits. In a perfect honest world this could be implemented, but unfortunately that's not reality.

• marioh 1,055 Posts

  Tue, Feb 2 2010 4:06 AM

  I can get behind tier based RG's.   I have no problems with competing with other master tier players.

  Average based RG's are a bad idea.   Sandbagging and accusations of sandbagging would run rampant.

• AvatarLee 1,644 Posts

  Tue, Feb 2 2010 6:35 AM

  I'd have to agree with most of the responses in this thread, although I don't think that the pros are on a level playing field with masters... yes the distances are a wash off the tee block, but on the more important approach, the masters have access to longer, higher trajectory, more precise and better spin clubs, so the advantage is back to the master class.  

  As far as an advantage due to more experience, well of course there is, but that's the nature of competition, isn't it?  I mean if you want to play with the best, and please don't take offense to this, you need to polish your game like we have!  If you don't think you have what it takes, don't take the risk.... go and practice and come back when you feel comfortable that you can place consistently.

  And yes, if you think sandbagging is an issue now, it will definitely be much worse if there is a tiered set of RGs. 

• uoducks63 53 Posts

  Tue, Feb 2 2010 8:33 AM

  I have to agree that masters do have a large advantage in this game.  You can even take it 1 step further and say that masters that have tried multiple club combinations have a huge advantage.  Last week i was sitting on a 64-67 average.  i did some research and noticed that most of the top players are using the ping g10 master irons,  I made the change from the taylor mades to the pings and took the 3 wood and hybrid out of the bag in favor of carrying 4 wedges.   The precision and high trajectory of  the ping irons made a instant improvement,  the lack of 3 wood and hybrid forced me to use course management and lay  up to the right distances for a full wedge approach shot.  Making these changes something just clicked and have now lowered my average to 60- 63. The distance off the tee is not a issue because of the different tee boxes we all tee off from, but like AvatarLee said the access to superior irons makes all the difference in this game.

• AvatarLee 1,644 Posts

  Tue, Feb 2 2010 8:43 AM

  uoducks63:

  but like AvatarLee said the access to superior irons makes all the difference in this game

   Not quite what I said.... irons are only part of it, not all of it.  Nothing replaces experience.