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  • ESTIENNE
    70 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 1:38 AM

    Hey guys

    recently started using the r11 irons and as with all new clubs it takes some getting used to.

    exellent clubs but im still battling a bit with the math when it comes too adding or subtracting for head and tailwind.I had the burners pretty muched worked out ,but with the higher trajectory of the R11s im still out most times.

     

    Would apreciate if some of the senior players can comment on this.

    thanks

  • hpurey
    11,505 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 4:05 AM

    Well, I don't have any formulas worked out for this question, but will be following this thread.  I usually just take half the wind and subtract/add that in yards depending on if it's a head/tail wind.  (different golf balls will make a difference )

     

    Maybe there can be something taken from this shot data......

    170yds to the hole from the fw,  17mph headwind at 5:30,  I hit R11 180 club with 1 dot of backspin (L48 nike)  aimed at flag stick and late clicked just a hair.  Aimed at pin just to see how much the wind moved it right....  

    Ball lands at 169yds and ends at 170yds.

    Maybe if we post some scenarios, we can figure out some sort of formula for judging wind..

     

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  • TallAcePaul
    1,455 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 4:09 AM

    Hi Estienne

    With the higher trajectory into the wind having a greater effect than before, and also the clubs stopping on the green quicker with backspin,  if you are hitting full b/s into a wind hit it hard. Everyone has slightly different calculations so really just practise and make notes.

    I would also say that a wind from behind does not have as great an effect, mostly i think because with full b/s the ball stops up quicker.

    To get the most out of the R11's you will have to alter the way you play the game a bit. With the G20's you can pretty much hit full b/s all the time, not now. Practise hitting part spin, both back and top and hitting it flat. A lot to take in but with practise...

    TAP

  • mantis0014
    8,946 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 4:22 AM

    hpurey:

    Maybe there can be something taken from this shot data......

    170yds to the hole from the fw,  17mph headwind at 5:30,  I hit R11 180 club with 1 dot of backspin (L48 nike)  aimed at flag stick and late clicked just a hair.  Aimed at pin just to see how much the wind moved it right....  

     

    What do you mean by .. 1dot of b/spin HP? ... do you mean move the dot slightly down.

    -Roger

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 5:01 AM

    TallAcePaul:
    With the higher trajectory into the wind having a greater effect than before,

    He was playing the Burners before he got the R11s. They have the same high trajectory. In fact, the only real difference in the 2 sets is the PW being 5 yards shorter, the gaps are all even  and the 3,4 and  5 irons hold the greens better. The distance adjustment shouldn't be that much different.

  • DarSum
    1,440 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 6:52 AM

    For flat lies, meaning no elevation changes to deal with, I add one yard per mph wind with every iron above a 5 iron. 6 and below I add less and less as I go down in clubs to the PW. For instance. 10mph head wind with a 6 I add 6 or 7 yrds. With a 10mph head wind and PW I only add 3-4 yrds.

    I find the R11s play the stated distance with around 1/2 backspin. Full backspin takes off about 5 yrds except for the 3 iron which plays about 225 or so with full backspin.

    These yardages are using the Nike Level 74+ 20XI.

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 7:05 AM

     

    This is a rough guide and is what i go by:

    10 mph wind (add/subtract yards)

    60 yards wedge=3 yards, 80 yard wedge=4, 100 yards wedge and 120 PW = 5, 9i = 5,. 8i = 6, 7i=6.5, 6i=7, 5i=8 4i=9 or 10 (depending on hole or if on tee) 

                                                 3i=10 or 11 (  ""        ^^           ""  )

    so roughly if i had 15 mph wind  in my face, 166 yards to pin i would use 180 yard 6iron full spin, so 10 mph wind effects it by 7 yards, so 15 would be 10 or 11 yards, and i know 180 iron with full spin is 175 yards, or if i had 178 yard approach in same wind, i would also use 180 yard iron with no spin (188 yards with nikes & no spin) OR  i might use 195 iron with full spin (depending on green)

    Once you understand how much yardage you get with no spin, full spin and 3/4 spin you can manipulate yardages much easier for the corresponding wind or if i need roll on the green such as congressional #11), i.e i know 3/4 spin on 180 yard 6 iron is roughly 182 yards, full spin is 175 and no spin is 188 so i calculate what is best option to use for that wind.  Like if i needed to land on 181 yards, instead of choking my 180 iron with no spin, i might use full power but 3/4 spin to get the 181 yards.  Knowing the yardages you get with all the different spin (included topspin) is very handy to achieve all yardage gaps

    Rough yardage table for Nikes (level 48)

     

    club                                    no spin                          full spin                 3/4 spin

    120                                126 if your lucky                    116                     121

    135                                 140 if your lucky                    131                     136

    150                                 157                                          147                    153                    

    165                                 173                                          161                    166

    180                                 189                                          176                    183

    195                                 205                                          191                    197

    210                                  222                                         206                    212

    225                                235/240                                   221                     228-230

    This is only a rough guide and some holes might give you a different outcome because they play longer or elevation change, but i stick to using this rough table when calculating shots and adapt it for certain holes.  

    (and when using higher level nikes i might deduct an extra yard for full spin, and add a yard for 3/4 spin)

     

     

  • ESTIENNE
    70 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 7:18 AM

    tx for the quick responses guys

    yes i only play backspin and take the 5 yards loss into acount and then add or take off for ellevation,and then obviously adjust for wind.

    if i need a yard or two extra without changing clubs il play less backspin.

    according to your explanation do you think the following might work?????

    with 6 iron  i will then add say   70 % of the wind,

    so into 10 headwind  with 6 iron add   7 yards and into 12 headwind with 6 iron 8.4 yards.

    7 iron about            60%

    8 iron about             50%

    9 iron about              45%

    pw                         40%

     

    5 iron to 3 iron 100%.

    thanks again for this info

     

  • ESTIENNE
    70 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 7:26 AM

    Ty chris

    much apreciated.

    will give it a go

  • hpurey
    11,505 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2012 8:29 AM

    mantis0014:

    hpurey:

    Maybe there can be something taken from this shot data......

    170yds to the hole from the fw,  17mph headwind at 5:30,  I hit R11 180 club with 1 dot of backspin (L48 nike)  aimed at flag stick and late clicked just a hair.  Aimed at pin just to see how much the wind moved it right....  

     

    What do you mean by .. 1dot of b/spin HP? ... do you mean move the dot slightly down.

    -Roger

    Exactly,   I moved the spin dot from center to about 1dot down (about the size of the dot itself).

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