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WGT puzzles: #1

• Choppography 2,166 Posts

  Sat, Aug 18 2012 7:20 PM

  To me, it's overkill to the highest degree.  That green has break in it.  What's your formula for hitting a green at a different trajectory every time due to "gusts" of wind in the variation of algorithms?

  I'm sure this game can be considered a puzzle and conquerable like Pac-Man.  However, most sports video games vary enough from game to game that you can't repeat playing conditions, or abilities, precisely enough to achieve the same results everytime out.  

  Trying to memorize what to do under every possible circumstance across every possible shot borders on something only RainMan could accomplish....or for you more recent young'ens.....probably A Beautiful Mind.

  To each his own, but I'd go nuts trying to do this.  I break things down somewhat scientifically myself, but it's much more conceptual than trying to add/subtract 1yd for every 3mph of wind, etc.

• MartyBerro 110 Posts

  Sat, Aug 18 2012 7:35 PM

  As for offdengs and outdengs, it happens to me exactly as in real golf when for a non perfect shot: the ball goes out of control and flies aside.

  Sure,  I prefer to move the target hitting the ball on  the head centre.  

• MartyBerro 110 Posts

  Sat, Aug 18 2012 9:52 PM

  Choppography:

  To me, it's overkill to the highest degree.  That green has break in it.  What's your formula for hitting a green at a different trajectory every time due to "gusts" of wind in the variation of algorithms?

  I'm sure this game can be considered a puzzle and conquerable like Pac-Man.  However, most sports video games vary enough from game to game that you can't repeat playing conditions, or abilities, precisely enough to achieve the same results everytime out.  

  Trying to memorize what to do under every possible circumstance across every possible shot borders on something only RainMan could accomplish....or for you more recent young'ens.....probably A Beautiful Mind.

  To each his own, but I'd go nuts trying to do this.  I break things down somewhat scientifically myself, but it's much more conceptual than trying to add/subtract 1yd for every 3mph of wind, etc.

  In fact I've a formula, that's not so precise, but it's fine.

  I know that, in WGT you can't repeat twice the same results, yet in the puzzle the question is simple: what club are you going to use, how long you will push the ball, how you will manage to go straight to the hole, what set of clubs and balls are you using. I think that if you tell me how do you behave in those conditions I will improve my experience on WGT.  

   

• Choppography 2,166 Posts

  Sun, Aug 19 2012 7:19 AM

  MartyBerro:

  I know that, in WGT you can't repeat twice the same results, yet in the puzzle the question is simple: what club are you going to use, how long you will push the ball, how you will manage to go straight to the hole, what set of clubs and balls are you using. I think that if you tell me how do you behave in those conditions I will improve my experience on WGT.  

  I may have misunderstood your request.  I was thinking you were looking for a one-size-fits-all answer instead of devising a scenario for everyone to think about, comment on, and learn from since several different ways to play the same shot will come to light.

  That's a 'puzzle' thread I can get on board with.

  150 degrees is slightly quartering, but mostly helping, right?  If so, I feel the shot will play about 90yds with some helping wind to knock spin off the ball.  I don't know the hole specifically so can't attest to the slope of the green or any humps/valleys where my ball may land.  But, I may play one of two shots.  

  1- 95yd wedge with full backspin but hitting at only 95%-ish power.  I don't have a specific amount to aim while accounting for wind, but I'm aiming a bit right and planning to hit the ding, but miss it right before I miss it left.

  2- If I have plenty of green in front of the flag, I may look at punching it and letting it run out towards the hole since there won't be a lot of run out with the wedge anyway and my 'full' shot may still feel like an awkward yardage being that I have to back off the meter a touch.

  Oh, this is using the 200 credit Tour-W wedge...54 degrees, I believe.  And, the WGT Tour-S ball as a L68 Master.

• MartyBerro 110 Posts

  Sun, Aug 19 2012 11:33 AM

  Choppography:

  MartyBerro:

  I know that, in WGT you can't repeat twice the same results, yet in the puzzle the question is simple: what club are you going to use, how long you will push the ball, how you will manage to go straight to the hole, what set of clubs and balls are you using. I think that if you tell me how do you behave in those conditions I will improve my experience on WGT.  

  I may have misunderstood your request.  I was thinking you were looking for a one-size-fits-all answer instead of devising a scenario for everyone to think about, comment on, and learn from since several different ways to play the same shot will come to light.

  That's a 'puzzle' thread I can get on board with.

  150 degrees is slightly quartering, but mostly helping, right?  If so, I feel the shot will play about 90yds with some helping wind to knock spin off the ball.  I don't know the hole specifically so can't attest to the slope of the green or any humps/valleys where my ball may land.  But, I may play one of two shots.  

  1- 95yd wedge with full backspin but hitting at only 95%-ish power.  I don't have a specific amount to aim while accounting for wind, but I'm aiming a bit right and planning to hit the ding, but miss it right before I miss it left.

  2- If I have plenty of green in front of the flag, I may look at punching it and letting it run out towards the hole since there won't be a lot of run out with the wedge anyway and my 'full' shot may still feel like an awkward yardage being that I have to back off the meter a touch.

  Oh, this is using the 200 credit Tour-W wedge...54 degrees, I believe.  And, the WGT Tour-S ball as a L68 Master.

  I think that nobody could have been more precise than you.

  Smart the use of the punch with your equipment, expecially on Cabo del Sol greens are flat and you can control efficiently the ball rolling.

  Nevertheless Leaving the target still and driving the ball on the right using the swing seems to me a mistake.

  Are you using this method for 20mph speed winds, too? or is it just a slight adjustment for weak winds?.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sun, Aug 19 2012 6:06 PM

  MartyBerro:

  Are you using this method for 20mph speed winds, too?

  Not talking for Chop here but you can straighten out a 20 mph crosswind by missing  to the first mark on the wind side of the ding. You lose some yardage but the drive is dead straight.

• MartyBerro 110 Posts

  Sun, Aug 19 2012 9:18 PM

  YankeeJim:

  MartyBerro:

  Are you using this method for 20mph speed winds, too?

  Not talking for Chop here but you can straighten out a 20 mph crosswind by missing  to the first mark on the wind side of the ding. You lose some yardage but the drive is dead straight.

  The sacrfice of the Deng line, that's an oxymoron, an erethical theory, witchcraft.

  ahahah.

  Thanks Jim and Chop. I think we can close this thread: puzzles are not feasible on Wgt.

   

• gsoup 2,929 Posts

  Sun, Aug 19 2012 9:46 PM

  YankeeJim:

  Oh man, thank you both. It never dawned on me to use a vertical reference.  :-)

  you sure it wood glue you are using? 

   

   

• Choppography 2,166 Posts

  Mon, Aug 20 2012 6:34 AM

  I'm not an 'off ding' type.  I just swing my aim out farther and farther the stronger the wind blows.  However, when the wind is really whipping....like your 20mph question....I do miss the ding a little just to calm the effect of the wind down.

  I can't describe how I do it, and it often doesn't work like I thought anyway, but I'm a 'feel' player through and through.  I think about my shot, where I want to miss if I don't ding it, and just sort of try and visualize what I need to do to make that shot materialize.  Like I said, though, it often backfires on me.

  But, missing the ding on purpose to offset the wind a bit is no different than playing a cut into a right wind or a draw into a left wind on a real golf course.  If the wind is under 10mph, I'm not shot-shaping really at all.  However, if the wind picks up, I try to hit it as straight as I can (ding it), but make sure I don't draw the ball into a right wind where it will really take off left.

  I've hit too many balls in real life that start up the middle of a fairway and get caught by a gust of wind that exaggerates the hell out of the slightest spin I put on the ball and ends up taking to someone's backyard.

• Milfshake 1,260 Posts

  Mon, Aug 20 2012 9:54 AM

  This thread goes good with coffee.