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Tue, Oct 9 2012 3:13 AM (11 replies)
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  • TWOMINUSONE
    2,580 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 7:13 AM

    I was playing the free multi-round game just now, and i was dumbfounded to see this happen. From behind the hole (Camera 2) i had placed my pointer off the green, to allow for the strong wind going to the right. There is a line that appears in between the edge of the green, and the fescue, and this is where i placed my pointer (Camera angle 4). Remember, from behind the hole. I dinged my shot, and under normal circumstances, this would have been real close to the hole. I could of had a bird in what was a very nice round so far. As it happens, i got a bogey, because my 2 foot putt on my par attempt nearly came back at me, which is absolutely ridiculous. Is it any wonder people feel that WGT are controlling the games. I finished the round with a 32, and only for this shot, i would have been in equal 2nd place on the board. I am not messing here. I am being plagued by shots like this, and its getting to the point where i will not accept that the game is not being rigged. And i know some of you will say i might have dragged the cursor away without knowing it, but i didnt. 

    http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=b2415df4-1c0d-4629-a03b-a0e400e604c1

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 7:41 AM

    As for games being rigged, they must be, ready go's will either be "hot" ones where you cant do no wrong or you might get ones where some holes you can only make par, no matter what you do, i.e wind not effecting shot, and resulting putt, break has no effect either.

    Matchplay game seems to favour one player over another, or 1 player for first few holes, then game flips and that player who was landing within 1 or 2 yards clubs all of a sudden are wrong and cant land close to save his life and opponent is now landing within 1 or 2 yards, and game goes from being 3 up to a/s.

    Like my blitz match at edgewood just now.  first few holes i would aim for wind, yet dinged shots would start off from pin and i would end up 15 feet wide shots not reacting normaly, 200 points down by the 7th.  On the 8th, my opponent presses early and lands 31 feet away, i get heartbeat and now i'm 2000 in the lead.  Final hole 140 yards, all i need to do is land within 25 feet, easy you would think, 20 mph left to right wind, i aim way way left, not caring if i land over 10 yards left of pin, DING shot BUT my shot starts off as if i had aimed directly at pin (default aim) and land 35 feet right of pin, no where near where shot SHOULD have gone, having saw that its just another nail in the "rigged" wgt coffin.

    The way i can tell if putt was a "deviation" strange putt, or one that break has no effect, when you look at a replay of the putt (dont have to save it) there wont be a reverse view, only a helicopter view just like wgt are hiding the evidence LOL, ) but if you mess up putt yourself, i.e miss ding, miss read or come up short, THERE WILL be a reverse view in replay.  Next time you get a putt where the break doesn't effect the putt, and you know it should (it usually does) have a look at replay and it will be a helicopter view on camera 2, not the normal reverse view

  • TWOMINUSONE
    2,580 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 7:45 AM

    I have been recording my games lately to try and get a video made up of some nice shots, but im sick i wasnt doing it this time. Think i will start recording every game now, just to prove that this is happening. Cheers Chris.

    Ive noticed that too about the reverse angle. And i reckon if i did put up a video of proof on some shots going AWOL, then it wouldnt be long before it would be censored.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 9:52 AM

    I think your ding caused that, as screwed up as that sounds.  There's been complaints for a while about dinged shots with miserable results. I'd bet if you missed the swing a little late it wouldn't have done that. What bothers me most is that the shot didn't even think about going against the wind-it went left right off the clubface.

  • TWOMINUSONE
    2,580 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 10:15 AM

    Cheers YJ, it seems to be something im hearing more often about now. But you are correct in that the ball didnt even attempt to go in the direction i hit it. Watch this space me thinks.

  • bubbadork
    984 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 11:08 AM

    Just a cautionary note.  Using video capture (Fraps, in my case) may affect your meter.  I can always see the increased load in Task Manager, but it only affects my meter about 10% of the time.

  • TWOMINUSONE
    2,580 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 2:44 PM

    Cheers Bubba, i have noticed this also with Bandicam. Thing is, thats a WGT replay without the use of video capture. 

  • iukine
    195 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 3:19 PM

    This wind variation that you're talking about has been a rock in my shoe for over a year now. As a result, I intentionally miss the ding on the wind side on purpose all the time. The closer to the ding sometimes does not seem to make any difference. I was thinking along the same lines as you at one time, but then I realised , why would they want to mess with my game, it's already screwed up! hahaha! But it has changed my approach to the game and what I do with the swing meter. I do not try to hit the ding all the time, even with my putting . Hope this helps.

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 5:32 PM

    TWOMINUSONE:
    I have been recording my games lately to try and get a video made up of some nice shots, but im sick i wasnt doing it this time.

    I'll bet if you had a video of that shot you would know what happened.  CIB, you should be making videos of your crazy shots too!

    TWOMINUSONE:
    And i know some of you will say i might have dragged the cursor away without knowing it, but i didnt. 

    There is a "boundary" condition that can cause the aim cursor to jump to anyplace we click on the forward view photo.  If you use a reverse camera or the mini map to move the aimer to a position that is not in the forward camera's field of view (i.e. after returning to the forward view the aim box is not visible on the main screen) the next time we click in the forward view fairway, tee box, wherever (as long as it is in the photo)  the aimer box magically appears where we click.

    Try it, start a ranked round on Olympic front 9.  #1 tee.  Use the mini map and grab the green triangle in  the middle of the fairway.  Drag it left so your mouse cursor is well left of the mini map.  You'll see the green triangle slide down the mini map border. Keep going left until the aiming box disappears from the main view on the tee.

    Let go of the aim triangle on the mini-map.  Click your mouse on the tee box in front of your avatar.  Presto!  The aim box reappears.

    I went to that area on STA #7 (great drive btw on your replay) and used the reverse view to move the aimer to that line between the fescue and fairway.  Sure enough, the aim box was not visible on the forward view and when I clicked on the fairway the aim box appeared.  That area has the "boundary" condition described above.

    So maybe you accidentally clicked in the forward view while checking notes or looking for the meter.

    I just thought I'd bring this condition out its been there forever.

     

  • pjctas0822
    4,621 Posts
    Mon, Oct 8 2012 6:09 PM

    iukine:

    This wind variation that you're talking about has been a rock in my shoe for over a year now. As a result, I intentionally miss the ding on the wind side on purpose all the time. The closer to the ding sometimes does not seem to make any difference. I was thinking along the same lines as you at one time, but then I realised , why would they want to mess with my game, it's already screwed up! hahaha! But it has changed my approach to the game and what I do with the swing meter. I do not try to hit the ding all the time, even with my putting . Hope this helps.

    I am sure there are many that play this way . That is why I had stated if they ever fixed the ding shot we would be screwed and have to change the way we play again. Would be better to fix it thought but I think WGT doesn't because of the known 3rd party programs that help you hit the ding everytime.

    I have never tested the auto ding thingy but I am sure it works.

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