its all good Cerino, thanks for the advice. I might have enough to pull off a rental first. Im in no hurry anyway, not looking to decide tonight or anything. I think I could probably work it. It would be hard but thats all part of the challenge, which if and when I move to a better ball will make things even more interesting.
Like i said before i do have the high level cleves now and I am playing with astarter and assuming the meter doesn't get al whacky i can hit the ding and i can get close, if i concentrate.