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Perhaps there's a method behind the update madness?

Thu, Jan 10 2013 9:54 PM (33 replies)
  • phiber
    2,795 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 8:35 AM

    WGT is adding newcomers at a rate of about 3500 per day, on Dec 28th the membership number was 6,104,293, just a moment ago it was 6,147,138.  WE all know that all of these are not active, many hit the site once and leave because they decide it isn't right for them and WGT never deletes an account from it's membership listing, that would hurt their advertising opportunities.

    Most of us already have the top of the line equipment and their sales opportunities to us is limited to balls, and what they can glean from those that play in games for credits.  I am sure they don't want to lose that income, but at the same time, I think they see the newcomers as a new opportunity to sale through their equipment lines as the newbiesmove up, so they aren't really concerned about losing senior players as it will be made up by the newbies.  

    It is sad to think that they could care less about those that have been here a while and helped to put them on the map.  What they fail to recognize, however, is that when, not if, a new golf game is developed that offers many of the features and more than what they offer, they will lose players in a mass exodus and their little empire will collapse as surely and as fast as it was built.  When you stop listening to your customers you stop keeping customers.

  • Braidan1218
    101 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 9:40 AM

    As a fairly new player to the game I'd like to add my 2 cents.

    First, I enjoy the game and play on a daily basis, so please no bashing.

    Credits are hard to come by and the surveys are becoming less and less of an option, so another options is apparently tournaments, but one look at the leaderboard and it's easy to see it would be fun to play, but my 70ish average won't win me credits any time soon.

    So I trudge along doing all the offers possible and have amassed 5000 credits and am now going through the motions of leveling up to obtain better gear.  And then you have to get more credits for balls.  If it doesn't make me competitive then this game may lose some of its fun for me.

    I agree that the players who made this the game it is deserve everything that comes their way, but when the newer sources of revenue get discouraged and move on the game will slowly die and the rich will get richer.

    If only the top 10% keep winning the credits, the rest of us are reduced to begging for gifts.  Yes I know the solution is to spend money and buy credits which is what the developers want, but the new guys won't and the old guys don't have to.

    I hate to sound like a whiny brat, but maybe set up a tournament based on average scores once in awhile and give the rest of us a chance to be winners too.

    Keep up the great work and I look forward to my new set of clubs.

  • saltiresfan
    2,266 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 9:56 AM

    @Braidan - CC's are the best route to winning balls/credits etc for newer players imo. Handicap events, average+ events etc. Even if WGT don't run them they still exist!

  • Oldbayrunner
    1,774 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 10:21 AM

    TWOMINUSONE:

    Thanks Oldbay, i knew i saw it somewhere before. Just a question about that post you made, did it get deleted? 

    Not Sure Two.. I looked for it before the search was taken off previously and couldn't find it. I definitely keep track of these gents though.

    LMFAO...Just thought of something...Remember a certain sandbagger that was boasting about all the credit cards he was getting with his credits taken from his suckers. Guess he'll have to buy Bags n Avatars now. There is some justice in this.

  • TWOMINUSONE
    2,580 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 11:17 AM

    LOL, i can see the poor buggers face now:). Any guesses as to why we cant search anymore??? 

  • WGTpizza
    1,656 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 11:19 AM

    TWOMINUSONE:

    LOL, i can see the poor buggers face now:). Any guesses as to why we cant search anymore??? 

    The Search function has been removed temporarily. It was causing some problems, so I'm told... not sure when it will be back

     

    Stay classy,

    -WGTpizza

  • PUHOLINO
    1,189 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 11:30 AM

    Choppography:

    It's an interesting thought for sure.  However, it's just like a poker/casino site.  The "rake" is generated by the fish.  The site doesn't care if the top earners stay or go.  It only cares about drawing in more fish.  

    Sit at a poker table with 9 other top earners and you are the fish......YOU pay the rake for the table.  The casino only cares that there are a few of you at each table.  The winners will be the winners, and if they leave someone else will step up and take their place.

    You need recreational players that come back again and again for whatever reason.  (Not a perfect analogy, but not bad.) 

     

    I like your analogy a lot. But imagine this. How many more little fish would come out and play if there were only a few schools of fish only twice or 3 times their size around, instead of facing 200 sharks every time they pop their head out of hiding?

  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 1:33 PM

    PUHOLINO:
    Did anyone ever think WGT might actually WANT to get rid of the top earners?

    I am not sure if WGT WANT to get rid of the top earners, but I do agree they do not contribute to the coffers of WGT by putting in real cash. But effectively winnings would then be taken by the next echelon on players (who again probably don't put real cash into the game (by playing challenges) if those top players did or could not compete.

    The reduction in the elite range (gift cards) i assimulate to Renns position of cost cutting. These cost real dollars to WGT so this is a way of reducing their real cost but also does tend to back up Jures post as it does also reduce the incentives for top players.

    The real money comes from the majority who, like myself, need to open their wallets to play at a reasonable level, The clubs are a one off cost apart from the odd upgrade, where the money is generated is from balls (as most would agree - overpriced pixels) as these are required frequently. Yes there are free ways to earn credits which can be unreliable and often are limited depending on your geographical location,

    With more players creating accounts the ability to raise revenue should increase PROVIDED they are actually new players. If they are (and frequently seem to be) are an existing player using a new ID they will not spend any real cash and as Jure says, when you see a player (especially a newbie) shooting so low it DETERS the genuine player from playing RGs etc and sometimes will just give up. All players need an incentive not a deterrent. Once again a great example is to tier up but the reward is a deterrent as you will probably need to upgrade equipment so many will not bother. The only reason I don't think WGT take multi accounting seriously is the pure numbers they can boast to prospective advertisers. This is probably its best avenue of income so the offset against players spending on equipment and tournaments is probably  neglible loss.

    I now run my own business (damned tough in these economic times) and shake my head when I read Renns post. I was working for an Airline when SARS occured - all flight and cabin crew took massive pay cuts when the airline made its first ever quarterly loss but the execs salaries were unaffected. Well the airline made an annual profit and the salary was eventually reimbursed (all loss of flight time - a major part of remuneration) was not. Now this seem off track but my point is you need to look after the people that make your business work. In WGTs case, this is the majority who pump their hard earded dollars into the game.

    It is a great game and I do love it, but the average player like me would like incentives. Partly for me I have continued to play because of the online friends I have made - I don't play for credits, just pure enjoyment but would like to get some sort of reward for the real cash I have invested, perhaps with some sort of loyalty scheme.

     

  • SHRUDE
    5,835 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 2:28 PM

    I think Puholino is pretty spot on.

    The existing league fo top players and their credits are so offended they will disperse their credits via gifts or PayPal where they get a larger sense of Value.

    In the meantime the new breed of Top Players are ignorant to what has gone before them and will now aspire for the customisable bags and avatars.

    Marketing at its worst.

    All the current members now who have been asking for customisable avatars for years have been slapped in the face, and it STINGS!

  • Games4Ever71
    623 Posts
    Wed, Jan 9 2013 5:00 PM

    I am going to keep playing the enjoyable game, but I am no longer adding any more credits or doing the free earn credits page. I just going to boycott credits. I have not done the earn free credits for quite a while now, and this just makes me not want to at all. Any way it takes for ever to get credits on that earn free credits page. If it is any way of trying to get those people to spend their massive amount of credits, they could of at least put something that is worth getting in the Elite Collection. I look at that collection, and it makes me want to throw up. I could make the money they want for those last a few years with out wasting it on that stuff. You could get a used car that will last longer than that phone call for $1000. Heck, a new computer for that price that would last a long time. They compare their company to others that know that deals are better than higher prices. I never seen or heard of a company that makes excuses to keep high prices.

    Even if that is their strategy to make the top players spend their credits. To me all they have to do is ignore the Elite Collection. How is that going to be a strategy? They are not enforcing anything by just sticking a Elite Collection there.

    There is thousands and thousands of players on this site. They are not even close to that, that go into the suggestions forum to suggest anything. It is mostly same people over and over again. They are saying they are going by what the customers ask for. Hello, again not all of their customers go to the forum to suggest. So basically they are only helping the people in the forum, and that is not even close to the amount of players on this site. So they aren't helping the customers, only small amount of them.

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