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TarheelsRule

5,566 Posts

Fri, Mar 15 2013 10:35 AM

Lou is right on with this one.

I played a RSG ready go with uneven lies the other day, only because they didn't advertise it was uneven lies. Managed a nice four under and finished in the top 5.

Buoyed with confidence, I entered a ready go at Congressional with uneven lies on the back nine. 5 under par through 17, pegged a perfect drive on 18. Which of course left me with a severe slope with the ball above my feet. Aimed way right (10 yards right of the green) and the ball went dead left, ended up in the deep grass just out of the water. My next shop was an even more severe sidehill lie. I aimed almost to the front of the green and the ball pretty much went over my head into the drink. Put me in the same spot on my drop and I did it again. Finally got it on the green and managed a 9, getting me back to even for the round.

It could be fun but they have to fix the severe effect that some of the shots come off as. In real golf, we can choke up on a club, down on a club, adjust our feet, move the ball up or back in our stance, change the angle of our swing, etc. so we can adjust to the uneven lies, WGT doesn't let us do that so there has to be a way to even things out, until then I will not play any uneven lies.

geraldlarousse

1,986 Posts

Fri, Mar 15 2013 2:34 PM

TarheelsRule:

Lou is right on with this one.

I played a RSG ready go with uneven lies the other day, only because they didn't advertise it was uneven lies. Managed a nice four under and finished in the top 5.

Buoyed with confidence, I entered a ready go at Congressional with uneven lies on the back nine. 5 under par through 17, pegged a perfect drive on 18. Which of course left me with a severe slope with the ball above my feet. Aimed way right (10 yards right of the green) and the ball went dead left, ended up in the deep grass just out of the water. My next shop was an even more severe sidehill lie. I aimed almost to the front of the green and the ball pretty much went over my head into the drink. Put me in the same spot on my drop and I did it again. Finally got it on the green and managed a 9, getting me back to even for the round.

It could be fun but they have to fix the severe effect that some of the shots come off as. In real golf, we can choke up on a club, down on a club, adjust our feet, move the ball up or back in our stance, change the angle of our swing, etc. so we can adjust to the uneven lies, WGT doesn't let us do that so there has to be a way to even things out, until then I will not play any uneven lies.

Yes, +1, as Tiffer said, need to fix the cheating. The vem is bad enough now, so lets put uneven lies in the OPEN, so the winner will be the person with the most LUCK. I bet that would pi55 off most of the decent players here. I was looking forward to this years open, if uneven lies is in play, i will not even enter.

893 Posts

Fri, Mar 15 2013 3:16 PM

I really dont think uneven lies will change the out come of the winner. Go check the recent winners of the uneven lies rgs same names you see in the others were the winners of those i grabbed a few myself. Short game and putter wins those. A few practice rounds to learn where to land the ball it wont be hard someone that has to patience.

bhoese

679 Posts

Fri, Mar 15 2013 3:18 PM

TarheelsRule:

I played a RSG ready go with uneven lies the other day, only because they didn't advertise it was uneven lies. Managed a nice four under and finished in the top 5.

Buoyed with confidence, I entered a ready go at Congressional with uneven lies on the back nine.

Where are these tourneys? I'd like to play, but I'm not seeing them.

CerinoDevoti

3,232 Posts

Fri, Mar 15 2013 5:10 PM

TarheelsRule:

Lou is right on with this one.

I played a RSG ready go with uneven lies the other day, only because they didn't advertise it was uneven lies. Managed a nice four under and finished in the top 5.

Buoyed with confidence, I entered a ready go at Congressional with uneven lies on the back nine. 5 under par through 17, pegged a perfect drive on 18. Which of course left me with a severe slope with the ball above my feet. Aimed way right (10 yards right of the green) and the ball went dead left, ended up in the deep grass just out of the water.

I'm sure it's obvious to you now but only 10 yards right of the green wasn't anywhere near enough offset angle to play the ball to the middle of the green. Try 10-20 yards right of the front right bunker. Hit a punched 3 wood and see if it runs up the front onto the green. If you're pin seeking the back pin, wet ball is tough to avoid. If you can live with par and just getting the heck out out there, try what I wrote.

CerinoDevoti

3,232 Posts

Fri, Mar 15 2013 5:19 PM

geraldlarousse:

Yes, +1, as Tiffer said, need to fix the cheating. The vem is bad enough now, so lets put uneven lies in the OPEN, so the winner will be the person with the most LUCK. I bet that would pi55 off most of the decent players here. I was looking forward to this years open, if uneven lies is in play, i will not even enter.

Merion is shorter than most so Full drivers all day won't be needed and shorter approach shots will be the norm. IMO... UL would be a perfect way to tease out the players who can play in all sorts of conditions instead of reading charts and repeating shots they've hit for years. Intuitive reactive game play is what is actually needed to play in the US Open IRL and I'd really like to have that kind of challenge presented to us here this year.

I've spent a hell of a lot of time practicing for the last year on UL play just in the hope it's used in this years US Open. I'd like the conditions to favor me as much as the top players want it to favor them. If the 2013 US V Open is played on artificial lies that are nothing but flat, my interest becomes near zero.

geraldlarousse

1,986 Posts

Fri, Mar 15 2013 6:03 PM

CerinoDevoti:

geraldlarousse:

Yes, +1, as Tiffer said, need to fix the cheating. The vem is bad enough now, so lets put uneven lies in the OPEN, so the winner will be the person with the most LUCK. I bet that would pi55 off most of the decent players here. I was looking forward to this years open, if uneven lies is in play, i will not even enter.

Merion is shorter than most so Full drivers all day won't be needed and shorter approach shots will be the norm. IMO... UL would be a perfect way to tease out the players who can play in all sorts of conditions instead of reading charts and repeating shots they've hit for years. Intuitive reactive game play is what is actually needed to play in the US Open IRL and I'd really like to have that kind of challenge presented to us here this year.

I've spent a hell of a lot of time practicing for the last year on UL play just in the hope it's used in this years US Open. I'd like the conditions to favor me as much as the top players want it to favor them. If the 2013 US V Open is played on artificial lies that are nothing but flat, my interest becomes near zero.

I understood everything you said sir, and we all are entitled to our own opinion. I've been playing RL golf for 30+ years, and uneven lies does not come even close to that. Nor does regular lies IMO. But from what i have seen with uneven lies, some of the approaches are plain crazy, to say the least. I don't mine playing it for fun, but that is about it. I say play the Open just like last year,,, and let the putter win the tourney,, just my opinion sir.

Gerald

CerinoDevoti

3,232 Posts

Fri, Mar 15 2013 6:49 PM

geraldlarousse:

CerinoDevoti:

geraldlarousse:

Yes, +1, as Tiffer said, need to fix the cheating. The vem is bad enough now, so lets put uneven lies in the OPEN, so the winner will be the person with the most LUCK. I bet that would pi55 off most of the decent players here. I was looking forward to this years open, if uneven lies is in play, i will not even enter.

Merion is shorter than most so Full drivers all day won't be needed and shorter approach shots will be the norm. IMO... UL would be a perfect way to tease out the players who can play in all sorts of conditions instead of reading charts and repeating shots they've hit for years. Intuitive reactive game play is what is actually needed to play in the US Open IRL and I'd really like to have that kind of challenge presented to us here this year.

I've spent a hell of a lot of time practicing for the last year on UL play just in the hope it's used in this years US Open. I'd like the conditions to favor me as much as the top players want it to favor them. If the 2013 US V Open is played on artificial lies that are nothing but flat, my interest becomes near zero.

I understood everything you said sir, and we all are entitled to our own opinion. I've been playing RL golf for 30+ years, and uneven lies does not come even close to that. Nor does regular lies IMO. But from what i have seen with uneven lies, some of the approaches are plain crazy, to say the least. I don't mine playing it for fun, but that is about it. I say play the Open just like last year,,, and let the putter win the tourney,, just my opinion sir.

Gerald

The putter wins the Tourney either way. All opinions on the matter are all good with me.

Tightrope

1,072 Posts

Fri, Mar 15 2013 7:18 PM

CerinoDevoti:
Intuitive reactive game play is what is actually needed to play in the US Open IRL and I'd really like to have that kind of challenge presented to us here this year.

Uneven lies are far from intuitive, instead they are often plain ridiculous. Some lies almost make shots go over your own shoulder. More importantly - the WGT application of it has hardly anything to do with IRL uneven lies. They should have started with making it possible to select and adjust stance and club face before attempting to incorporate lies.

If WGT would reduce the effect of the lies to 10% of the current, it would be bearable, but still a bit on the silly side.

That said, I would not mind if the Open was played with uneven lies and for your sake I hope it is and that you win :)