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• lonniescott711 4,207 Posts

  Wed, Apr 17 2013 12:15 PM

  DDRoss1:

  lonniescott711:

  So you chose to tier up faster than level up .Now whose fault is that ? I`m also a casual player , but yet and still this player has 603 cdp .So I put my time in , so I can get whatever clubs that I want. So dont be hatin , and dont dislike me , get like me. Put your time in just like everyone else. And for your information, I do have a ball in this game. I dont have to gamble and play for credits, to have fun. This is nothing new, what some of you are asking for. It still wont happen, because it wont be fair to the players who EARN their way as they play. Happy Swinging

   

   

   Not so true, WGT chose to tier me up cuz i cashed, not won mind you a few RGs, and i managed to knock off some legends and TLs in MP, but my stroke avg at the time did not qualify me for Legend, i fought with WGT and got no where, so I made legend at Level 83 and not knowing what the hell i was doing there. I am sorry if i upset you, i wished i could be where you are right now, i think i would be having more fun, than on some holes having to hit it 30 -100 yards further than you on my drives. But i am not hating you, just stating a fact, you have all the opportunities for better clubs and none of the challenges of being a legend and figuring out the different tee shots and course mgmt, thats all i am saying. Dont know you so its not anything personal honest. My best to you and keep having fun.

  The new tier up system , has yes hurt some players , by moving them up before they feel they are ready . But yet and still , I play with the same clubs as you do . I have the upper G20s , just like you do. Im about a week away from moving to the parking lot . But the most important part of the game , is not your clubs. Its course knowledge. Knowing where to place the ball , from fairway too green, is more important than the clubs you have. You have Tour Legends , who can play with starter clubs , and make you hate the game. Thats because of course knowledge, and thats what its all about.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Too much hype is put on the clubs and balls , when it all comes down to your ability ,and knowledge of the courses that you are playing on. Do practice rounds stroke play , and learn the courses . Learn ball placement , where to hit and place the ball , and your scores will improve. Hope this helps. Happy Swinging

   

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Wed, Apr 17 2013 12:36 PM

  Distance matters as does the equipment. Tiger plays with good stuff as well as knowing where to hit it. Many people I know when playing IRL like to play with V good stuff...........No one is suggesting it will make them as good as Tiger or that course management is not huge. In a game of fractions against people your own "skill" level what do most choose! ..................No prizes for that 1! That's the point! 

  Currently the regime has in the opinion of many "nutso" rules when top level equipment is available. That's the only bit that needs discussing...........How many RL Pro Shops tell you can't have this for a year? .................That's also the point!  Nothing about being owed anything that I can see!

  Some think the equilibrium should be kept.  I am one of those that thinks the pro shop needs a good shake up!  In short the Pro Shop should attempt to "sim" real life as much as the rest of the game attempts!

  Up to WGT as to which side they go with in the end bearing in mind market forces, but OK as well to voice opinion as to what many feel would be a big improvement!

• DDRoss1 1,809 Posts

  Wed, Apr 17 2013 4:29 PM

  Jimbog1964:

  Distance matters as does the equipment. Tiger plays with good stuff as well as knowing where to hit it. Many people I know when playing IRL like to play with V good stuff...........No one is suggesting it will make them as good as Tiger or that course management is not huge. In a game of fractions against people your own "skill" level what do most choose! ..................No prizes for that 1! That's the point! 

  Currently the regime has in the opinion of many "nutso" rules when top level equipment is available. That's the only bit that needs discussing...........How many RL Pro Shops tell you can't have this for a year? .................That's also the point!  Nothing about being owed anything that I can see!

  Some think the equilibrium should be kept.  I am one of those that thinks the pro shop needs a good shake up!  In short the Pro Shop should attempt to "sim" real life as much as the rest of the game attempts!

  Up to WGT as to which side they go with in the end bearing in mind market forces, but OK as well to voice opinion as to what many feel would be a big improvement!

   +100 my brother

• lonniescott711 4,207 Posts

  Thu, Apr 18 2013 6:58 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  Distance matters as does the equipment. Tiger plays with good stuff as well as knowing where to hit it. Many people I know when playing IRL like to play with V good stuff...........No one is suggesting it will make them as good as Tiger or that course management is not huge. In a game of fractions against people your own "skill" level what do most choose! ..................No prizes for that 1! That's the point! 

  Currently the regime has in the opinion of many "nutso" rules when top level equipment is available. That's the only bit that needs discussing...........How many RL Pro Shops tell you can't have this for a year? .................That's also the point!  Nothing about being owed anything that I can see!

  Some think the equilibrium should be kept.  I am one of those that thinks the pro shop needs a good shake up!  In short the Pro Shop should attempt to "sim" real life as much as the rest of the game attempts!

  Up to WGT as to which side they go with in the end bearing in mind market forces, but OK as well to voice opinion as to what many feel would be a big improvement!

  Too a point I do agree with you .IRL you can go and buy whatever clubs you want . But thanks to the multi accounters, sandbaggers, and cheats , its not that way here. We already see how hard it is to have a fair game of play as it is. So how much worse do you think it would be other wise. So due to the rampant dishonesty of others, the good and honest players , are the ones who get left out in the cold . Happy Swinging

   

• cchristi42 57 Posts

  Thu, Apr 18 2013 7:54 AM

  In an ideal game, I think tier'ing up would add skill level to your account.

   

  Your a hack, you have a base drive of 150 yards, club Y adds X Distance.

  It would be a very bad business model for WGT to go with though, as it would be much harder to drive club sales, which I would imagine are a decent part of their revenue stream.

  You could have the clubs give different benefits at different tiers but that would add a complexity that most players on here probably wouldn't like either.

• renniw52 5,385 Posts

  Thu, Apr 18 2013 8:34 AM

  I can understand the remarks from all the players shooting from the tips. I played a practice round last night with a high level tour pro. I think it was a female player, not really sure. My 340 yard drives on RSG didn't stand a chance against their well under 300 yard drives, they were way ahead of mine on the fairways. I could only imagine them having the R11s or R1 driver. This player is not far from having the R11. They were very skilled at approach and putting, plays almost all blitz games so will stay dangerous for a long time. I enjoyed the round, brought back memories of when I was a master and out drove the Legends with my old R9. I was a lot better at putting back then too, even putting on the Legend greens. Old age is hell, even losing my strength and swing speed on a computer game, how does that happen? LOL

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Thu, Apr 18 2013 8:47 AM

  cchristi42:

  In an ideal game, I think tier'ing up would add skill level to your account.

   

  Your a hack, you have a base drive of 150 yards, club Y adds X Distance.

  It would be a very bad business model for WGT to go with though, as it would be much harder to drive club sales, which I would imagine are a decent part of their revenue stream.

  You could have the clubs give different benefits at different tiers but that would add a complexity that most players on here probably wouldn't like either.

  That's not a bad idea at all. Say this supposed magic wand(R1) that many think they need now was available at like Level 94 or even to any Legend.  So we all buy it but it doesn't register it's full potential until we reach Level 98 anyway. The accuracy is terrible and the forgiveness is non-existent when we buy it. As we gain more experience and tier up from playing more, the club gets better(more dots light up) like in REAL life as if we practiced with it until we got good at using it. Anyone with money can buy all the most expensive clubs in the world but it takes time and experience to use them.

   

  Won't surprise me if my idea is hated. :-)

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Thu, Apr 18 2013 8:55 AM

  I come down of the side of open it up.  Level 78 /80 is about when it gets damn hard work going through the levels. Reward the genuine players who just wanna have fun, and more revenue for WGT.  The sandbaggers cleverly lurk below Legend (as eluded to in Renni's post? and sorry if misusing that but way read), get miffed when they get caught out and their ability gets tested off the tips and restart............  I am sure WGT has a good CEO/CFO so they will do the number crunching on what's best for WGT, but I know what I think is best encouraging genuine players....................Maybe a few more details in the lobby about players upfront to help those that want to play challenge? I think most of us know to avoid challenge games with that perpetual average 61.95 TM who hates ranked rounds...LOL (sort of)

  BTW - Buying the R1 without full attributes is IMHO not a good idea nor would it be for any club, and so a no from me! We want to "sim" the game up not down!

  Kinda let the good people decide what they wanna get better with, not the "man" :)

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Thu, Apr 18 2013 9:10 AM

  The gain in distance with the R1, and yes that IS relevant, is not the only advantage over the R11. The consistent meter and extra bit of forgiveness also come into play.

  Anyone who says the R1 is not advantageous over the R11 either doesn't own it or does own and hasn't used it enough to get used to the things you can do with it.

  The club will CARRY 320+ with a 15 to 20mph tail win. That's 320+ in the AIR. Not 320+ after it lands and comes to a stop.

  To give a scenario of where that it is huge. Let's say the US Open was played at BPB again. You're on #9 tee with a 5 to 10 mph from around 10 or 11 oclock (almost in our face but slightly from the left). The R1 will carry that shot slightly left of the bunker and far enough past the trees on the left to put you around 145 to 135 out. The R11 will not carry that shot far enough past the trees to give you a shot. If it carries to the short grass at all.

  So the R11 player has to play out to the fairway right of the bunker. Which leaves him some 30 to 40 yrds behind the R1 player.

  I will bet any ONE person (whoever replies first and takes the bet) 1,000 credits that the person who wins the WGT US Open this year will be using that driver.

  Darin

  EDIT: I just hit this drive after posting this. Oakmont #17 with a 5mph wind from 1oclock. I could never get the R11 to carry this far with any amount of head wind. And it wasn't for lack of trying either lol

  replay.aspx?ID=3e14ada2 98a5 4b8c a2a7 a1a4010b104f

  For those that don't wanna watch the ball CARRIES 283 yrds up that hill into that wind and rolls onto the green to finish at 309 yrds.

  R1 distance over the R11 isn't significant my _ _ _.

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Thu, Apr 18 2013 10:27 AM

  DarSum:

  R1 distance over the R11 isn't significant my _ _ _.

   

  I agree fully, having just made the transition from R11 to R1, but Dazza was speaking of the R11s..so there may not be a big difference?

  The R1 put's me in many better places where I can use my Ping wedge, in stead of my R11 PW...the advantage for me in this is that I ding my Ping way better than any of my R11 irons...if my meter is stable and I have any one of my 3 wedges, I'm pretty upset if not with 5 feet of the hole.

  And your shot on Oak...I did similar in RG yesterday, 5 or 6 headwind, over the rough 20 yards from pin..the R11 would be in the 40/50...with the same shot (I had).

   

  I think for the top players it may not be sun\ch a difference in scoring, as even when they mishit a shot, the ability to sink a 25-30 footer is what keeps them at the top, but for us average players, being able to use a shorter club, being closer to the hole, is an advantage to us.