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NEW DRIVER BETWEEN LEVEL 88-94

Thu, Jun 27 2013 11:52 AM (83 replies)
  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Sun, May 19 2013 11:29 PM

    DoctorEagle:
    Wasn't the reason they moved the R11s to L94 because it was TOO good?

     

    Well, personaly I feel that WGT effed up..made it so close to the R11...many would just wait 2 more levels (originally offered at level 90) and skip past the R11 to get to the R11S.

     

    I really believe they (WGT) moved the S driver higher to make sure the R11 would get sales.

     

    DoctorEagle:
    . Regardless of the players swing, there's a pretty big difference between say an 8 iron with 2 1/2 forgiveness and a 60% meter vs. an 8 iron with 3 1/2 forgiveness and 40%. Or the same two scenarios w/ a 9 iron.

     

    I'm not quite sure what you are getting at here with 60% and 40% meter?  I always try to play near 100% power on my meter (other than wedge shots)...but unsure if that's what yo are talking about...but if it is, why play 40% on a 9 Iron, when you can punch a wedge much more effectively?

    Or maybe I missed your intent?

     

     

  • DoctorEagle
    1,312 Posts
    Sun, May 19 2013 11:45 PM

    Could be on the L88 R11...

    What I meant is the faster meter speed rating since the clubs with slower meters are usually easier to ding and/or to hit near the return bar... not the amount of power used.

    MBaggese:

    I'm not quite sure what you are getting at here with 60% and 40% meter?  I always try to play near 100% power on my meter (other than wedge shots)...but unsure if that's what yo are talking about...but if it is, why play 40% on a 9 Iron, when you can punch a wedge much more effectively?

    Or maybe I missed your intent?

     

  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Mon, May 20 2013 12:44 AM

    Well I just played 18 on BPG. Used the driver 14 times, hit the ding 4 times. Of the 10 I missed 12 were close, 1 was dreadfully early (40-50% rough = only missed f/w) and 1 quite early but just caught the fairway. Low winds so I was trying to hit the ding but reactions all round were too fast or too slow with all clubs.

    Yes the 1 bad miss may have just caught the fairway if using the G20 or R11S but as far as I was concerned - it got what it deserved. The R11 is a good club IMO - no not as good as the two above it but I now look at it from the viewpoint that this is my apprenticeship. The G20 is also good, more forgiving but just lacks a little distance into winds.

    And for me one reason why I bought the R11 (bought at level 89 2 weeks before level 90 and the R11S was moved up) was to keep the meter speeds close when I could get the R11 irons.

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Mon, May 20 2013 8:00 AM

    DoctorEagle:

    What I meant is the faster meter speed rating since the clubs with slower meters are usually easier to ding and/or to hit near the return bar... not the amount of power used.

     

    I got ya..you're correct there.

     

    Funny thing though, using the level 71 Nikes, I didn't notice any difference in swing speed with the R1 over the R11...however, when I started using the level 81 Nikes, I could tell a difference..but I think that has to do with my computer (old laptop) because my irons (R11's) still seem the same with the level 81 Nikes.

  • DoctorEagle
    1,312 Posts
    Wed, May 22 2013 12:48 AM

    HesheeDucky:

    All of these drivers getting dropped in above my head or below my feet and i'm ready to have my account disabled.

    Exactly... If you're at Legend status and missed on the L90 R11s before they made it L94, it's getting a lot tougher to compete with the masses.

    Players that put in time & $$$ to qualify and purchase the L88+ driver are stuck with it, or they have to go back and purchase one of the new upgraded lower level club(s). The new callaway and low level R1 look great for those in the TM or lower ranks but they're not long enough for the Legend tees. Why do L93- Legends have to downgrade to get a better club while the game gets easier for the rest of the ranks?

  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Wed, May 22 2013 1:52 AM

    DoctorEagle:
    Legends have to downgrade to get a better club

    Wrong! The R11 is a better driver distance wise than any club below it. Yes the Callaway X Hot is certainly more forgiving (as is the G20) but they are not necessarily better drivers. Many legends still use the G20 driver and many use the R11 without problems.

    WGT will not go back to a Tier Based system so we are stuck with the current system of levels as it generates the most income. Yes they did screw up when it was released, so if you were lucky enough to get it then you have a marginal advantage, but thats all it is, marginal. Hit the ding or close to it with any club and you are 90% there. It is the player that hits the shots, not the equipment.

  • geraldlarousse
    1,986 Posts
    Wed, May 22 2013 2:21 AM

    alanti:

    DoctorEagle:
    Legends have to downgrade to get a better club

    Wrong! The R11 is a better driver distance wise than any club below it. Yes the Callaway X Hot is certainly more forgiving (as is the G20) but they are not necessarily better drivers. Many legends still use the G20 driver and many use the R11 without problems.

    WGT will not go back to a Tier Based system so we are stuck with the current system of levels as it generates the most income. Yes they did screw up when it was released, so if you were lucky enough to get it then you have a marginal advantage, but thats all it is, marginal. Hit the ding or close to it with any club and you are 90% there. It is the player that hits the shots, not the equipment.

    Yes Alanti, the R11 driver is a good club, and i used it for a long time. But not to pi$$ed off everyone here, but the R11s driver is not even close to the same.

    LOL, you say its the player and not the equiment, lol, not with this driver mate. I can miss the ding by a MILE and still in the fairway. You will NOT have that happen with the old R11. I can not remember last fairway i have missed.

    And the R1 is suppose to be MORE forgiving, lol. I can't wait to get my hands on that beast. Giving the best players more forgiving club, lol, don't quite get that one.

    The forgiveness on the R11s is so good, i can't believe they made the R1 with slower meter and to be more forgiving. 

    Hey candy for sale in pro shop, lol.

  • mara43
    1,674 Posts
    Wed, May 22 2013 4:35 AM

    Maybe L92 would have been a better compromise for the R11S.......*

    Had just turned L90 when the R11S was still available & was in the process of deciding whether to purchase......then decided to, only to find it had suddenly been moved on to L94....the R11 is a good driver but certainly there are times when the extra forgiveness would come in handy.......

    oh well we'll keep pluggin' along singin' the same old song.....

    :-)

    *edit: if they can shift it from L90 to L94 that easy then they can shift it back to L92 (go on WGT......I'm just approaching L92...)


    :-)

  • DoctorEagle
    1,312 Posts
    Wed, May 22 2013 9:57 AM

    alanti:

    DoctorEagle:
    Legends have to downgrade to get a better club

    Wrong! The R11 is a better driver distance wise than any club below it. Yes the Callaway X Hot is certainly more forgiving (as is the G20) but they are not necessarily better drivers. Many legends still use the G20 driver and many use the R11 without problems.

    Understood. I wasn't planning to downgrade because the extra distance is needed. As posted earlier, the WGT rep suggested I look at purchasing the callaway when I asked if they could return the R11s to L90. The G20 was much more forgiving than the R11 but noticeably shorter, so I can only assume (like Gerald and others have suggested) that the R11s will make a BIG difference since it's rated more forgiving and longer than both the G20 & R11.

    Again, the point is that WGTers hitting from the TM and below tees have much better new drivers to use since they don't need the extra yardage... And so do the Legends that were/are far enough ahead to qualify for the L90 R11s and/or the L98 driver. Because so many players have better drivers, it's tougher for Legends w/ out the R11s to compete.

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Wed, May 22 2013 10:33 AM

    As said before of course it's TM and below WGT have targeted with all the upgrades......where the bulk is and therefore real profit.  People above that not recommending something is still worth thinking about though??

    I recently played a good TL in an inter CC MP game.  OK I lost with one hole left to a good player and gentleman.  After I did a gap analysis and thought well OK had to go for a shot toward's the end so one hole. Then ability which he had more of lol.  I also gave away plain way less experience of champ green's, but most of the game we took turn's in being one up. That's by the by really but the bit that count's here:

    I had the R11 and he the R11S. I was comfortably out driven on every hole bar one.  There was no country mile involved but having the ability to be farther up the Fway if you want to be (and he did as I would have) was an advantage.  He could watch every second of mine and respond as needed and from few yard's closer. I also went a little in to the rough once with it and he not once. ADVANTAGE R11S, not even an argument!

    Interestingly I could not see any overt advantage to to having the R11S 3 wood compared to my R11 3 wood but driver wise an old granny could see the disparity! Digressing on the 3 wood as how often could I compare etc. realised but a thought! 

    I don't see WGT making any more money on balls which is the main concern or XP boost's, just throwing dollar's in the wind trying get from L88 to 94 quicker than time it would ordinarily take. .  Would they lose on "hardware" having the R11S L92 maybe yes a little, but the ball's are the main revenue anyway. Offset this against people not recommending something because of an 18 month wait (many people) when get to a certain point..........all the explanation's and mitigating bit's that go with that as still a good game etc and what's the bit people will remember?????? V short sighted approach!!!!!!! I have left the option of bringing in more club's out of the equation for this, but it's there, and so profit's really down??

    Now remind me not to play ranked round's when skyping with friend's as we all do crap LOL

    Open up everything to TLs and move the R11S to L92 at least..................

    I can see how some  L98+ player's would feel hard done by with some upstart L91 TL getting the R1, but that's the side I come down on................They should only feel hard done by IF they are also TL though IMO! The argument that you can compete I don't agre with though, unless you are also choosing to compete always with the item item in question! I think the only argument is whether the R11S should be aimed at L92 or below as it is fractionally better simple as! The R1 does not affect me anyway as I am YEAR's away from L98 and not likely to be a TL any time soon lol........However easy see how a L91/92 TL meant to be part of the cream, but  not considered good enough to be a real "top player" by being allowed the R11S is let alone the R1 would be peeved!

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