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NEW DRIVER BETWEEN LEVEL 88-94

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sun, May 26 2013 5:18 PM

  alanti:

  Nope right wavelength lol. I

  Steven is a Master and his comment concerned often using a 3 wood to tee off which was obviously off the point for this thread, and acknowledged as such by Steven - kind of Steven to do that.  Anyway that was all sorted, no issues all round. Also I guess you were joking here as to this thread's discussion, and get that, but just being clear for sake of it! Not trying be rude! 

  alanti:

  IMO the game does not need longer and more forgiving equipment

  The only debate concerned already existing parameter's within a very few existing level's. The R11S at L94 when it used to be L90 option was even focused on as part of that. At no point was it suggested more attributes than the R11S are needed, or heaven forbid more than the R1 for any level! Within existing parameter's the Pro Shop could massage a few option's I am sure between L88 / 94 but no one was suggesting bigger and better than the R11S. In short two good player's in MP one with the R11 and the other R11S who would you, given the choice sooner be, just an easy one. Discussion around that, not new longer............

  Maybe you were just agreeing with Steven for the below Legend length tees as per the above which is fine, just confused me as to your point (if that was it) being away from the context of the thread's title as accepted by Steven.

   

   

   

• Steven1163 2,912 Posts

  Sun, May 26 2013 5:40 PM

  Actually Jim...i was pretty much in conversation with alan...i never said i agreed with you...i just said our wavelengths were crossed...i was in agreement with alan...but....unforunately you pretty well told me i didnt know what i was talking about because i'm just a lowly master...but its really no big deal...we'll just agree to disagree on this point...i think the masters and those who amazingly get legend before level 75 are kinda stuck like the ones who have been legends for  long time....its like when  get to 81...whether master or legend..your stuck...the same as the older legends

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Mon, May 27 2013 2:33 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  The only debate concerned already existing parameter's within a very few existing level's. The R11S at L94 when it used to be L90 option was even focused on as part of that.

  Yes this was the original debate, and I think all views have been well discussed. Yes I did digress from the original topic, but IMHO the two are related. Players want top equipment that gives them the best advantage, as discussed WGT have opted for a level based system rather than tier based. When the R11S was moved up, it directly affected me, was I happy? NO. But the correlation is where does it stop. WGT will continue to release new equipment for high levels to buy, so where does it stop, are they making the game too easy?  Again, the R11 driver is very good, no not as good as the R11S. Yes WGT totally screwed up originally releasing the R11S at level 90, then corrected it, its like a supermarket setting their prices incorrectly in the POS, then discovering their faux pas and correcting it - they would not leave the incorrect price in and say "oh well".

  Are their enough drivers (or good drivers for legends), again I think yes, even for the low level legends - sure the game is incrementally harder but isn't this game meant to be a challenge? And thats where I again ask, are WGT making it too easy? Todays TL's had much inferior equipment than those of todays legends, I personally think it probably made them even better players.

  On a footnote, for TM's pushing legend, its a good idea to use a 3 wood from the tee, it will give you a grounding on playing long approaches.

• pjctas0822 4,609 Posts

  Mon, May 27 2013 2:39 AM

  alanti:

  On a footnote, for TM's pushing legend, its a good idea to use a 3 wood from the tee, it will give you a grounding on playing long approaches.

  If you have the proper IRONS to use on long approaches.......

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Mon, May 27 2013 3:14 AM

  pjctas0822:

  alanti:

  On a footnote, for TM's pushing legend, its a good idea to use a 3 wood from the tee, it will give you a grounding on playing long approaches.

  If you have the proper IRONS to use on long approaches.......

  The advice is sound...most players will need to use their clubs they have when turning legend...great way to get practice for what's ahead.

   

  Or just make practice rounds from the tips...

• Steven1163 2,912 Posts

  Mon, May 27 2013 1:08 PM

  IMO...thats how you have a well rounded game....the ability to use ALL your clubs...i use my 3wood on the tee to stay out of troubled spots...specially on Kiawah....if you can take a step to where our not gonna put your second shot in jeopardy...such as making your second shot a recovery shot...and not a approach shot...isnt that playing smart?

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Mon, May 27 2013 2:29 PM

  Steven1163:

  .i was in agreement with alan...but....unforunately you pretty well told me i didnt know what i was talking about because i'm just a lowly master...but its really no big deal.

  If it came across too strong Steven apologies.  All I thought I said and re reading was that from Legend tees the game is different so the 3 wood simply does not get used as much to tee off.  Maybe show's just how good the equipment has got to do that to the game below Legends Tees!

  On the other post (Alanti) I agree today's TL's had inferior equipment to now but the point,IMO, is that they all did, and so not the forced disparity that exists for too long sucking enjoyment out. Maybe there is becoming an argument for a new tier for L63 up to? Legends? Sandbagging is so rife why even say you are bothering with it when you are selling all the top equipment to them anyway?  The  fact is honest people are getting bumped to Legend inside a month with hardly any ranked ranked rounds needed, and it's WGT game rules. 

  BUT all that's opening another big one up way away from this and for a different thread not for here IMO. Way different discussion!

  Concerning ourselves just with the point of this thread it's for people already up in the level's.  No one had been suggesting the R11S should be available for a 3 week inL63 Legend................That's why I think there is crossed thread's here but if not the forum's are for all opinion's anyway.

  Just as an extreme example you can compete with hickory sticks, but my experience:

  L79 Bladez - possibly knocked a whole point of my average score after an initial bump;

  L88 R11 possibly a half point straight off the bat for all it's antiquated annoyance;

  L90 R11 irons I would say getting on for another point after an initial learning curve.  

  Throw that together and my average score is way different.  If the R11S makes a fraction of those differences that's huge when it's a tight MP or other multi round competition. So experience counts huge and I know I am still learning the R11 irons, but it's not all just about experience for a given individual (we all have different preferences) trying to improve their own game.   

• DoctorEagle 1,312 Posts

  Mon, May 27 2013 3:04 PM

  alanti:

  Are their enough drivers (or good drivers for legends), again I think yes, even for the low level legends

  With all the new equipment out there at other levels, the performance for drivers at or below Legend L94- don't compare with the performance of drivers at the other tiers/levels.

  alanti:

  Todays TL's had much inferior equipment than those of todays legends

  And this is part of the complaint. That the performance of equipment for TM & lower level players is far superior than equipment for L94- players when taking distance from the tee box into consideration.

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Mon, May 27 2013 4:10 PM

  DoctorEagle:

  With all the new equipment out there at other levels, the performance for drivers at or below Legend L94- don't compare with the performance of drivers at the other tiers/levels.

  Firstly, I have never said that drivers below the R11S are better

  So are you saying that when you become Legend, you deserve a driver that would comparative to the distance advantage you get as a TM?  If so his would give you similar distance approach shots - isn't the point of increasing tiers to make the game incrementally harder?

  The question is can you be competitive using a driver less than the R11S from Legend tees? We can all draw our own conclusions but here is some interesting stats from the free weekly/monthly tournaments (excluding the par 3 and Open)

  Out of the 7 running 5 of the leaders use the R11S, one the R11 and one uses the G20. So does this back up your theory?  Well at first it could, but the fact is every player who uses the R11S is now at least level 94 and at least one is now TL. So is it the club or their experience - I personally think the later with a "little" help of the better driver. And little old me with the R11 (bordering being diabolical from your viewpoint) has still managed to get into the top 10 in three of these. If I had the R11S I still would not lead - as in each of those rounds I have missed putts I should have made (one which I am second on countback - I missed two 6 foot birdies on the last 2 holes). Golf in real life and on here is usually decided on the greens not from the few extra yards on a drive.

• Steven1163 2,912 Posts

  Mon, May 27 2013 4:40 PM

  I do agree Jim that beng a legend is different than a master...possibly on avg...35 yds longer than what i tee up from...i have studied over and over again all the equipment...and IMO...i feel that my L81 driver is as good as the two  next level drivers....i may be wrong on this and i hope someone corrects me with facts...not just opinions...my L81 hits 280....the next driver hits 282...and the next 284...is there that much of a difference in these drivers?  personally i dont see myself getting either one....i cant time the speed on those that often...i may be talking out of my hat but...i'm hitting the ball as far with this driver...so why not bump those 2 down to 86  and 89.... the one i want...the L98....to 92....just a thought.....