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Not a hole in one

• borntobesting 9,696 Posts

  Tue, Jun 18 2013 12:49 PM

  gmaster007:

  it would appear that the ball got stuck between the flag stick and the rim,
  which is plain stupid programming since the flag stick is considered
  a removable object. so when this happens in real golf, you shake the stick
  a little to allow the ball to drop in.

   

  First, no you can not shake the pin. That would be undue manipulation and result in a penalty. You can remove the pin and IF it falls in it is a hole-in-one. It happened to my dad many many years ago. He removed the pin catching the ball with the flare at the bottom of the flag stick knocking the ball out of the hole.  It left him a 6 inch or so birdie putt and a sick feeling for losing a hole-in-one. 

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Jun 18 2013 1:38 PM

  borntobesting:

  First, no you can not shake the pin. That would be undue manipulation and result in a penalty. You can remove the pin and IF it falls in it is a hole-in-one. It happened to my dad many many years ago. He removed the pin catching the ball with the flare at the bottom of the flag stick knocking the ball out of the hole.  It left him a 6 inch or so birdie putt and a sick feeling for losing a hole-in-one. 

  He said shake the stick a little.  You may move the pin or remove the pin.

  USGA Rules of Golf:

  17-4. Ball Resting Against Flagstick

  When a player’s ball rests against the flagstick in the hole and the ball is not holed, the player or another person authorized by him may move or remove the flagstick, and if the ball falls into the hole, the player is deemed to have holed out with his last stroke; otherwise, the ball, if moved, must be placed on the lip of the hole, without penalty.

   

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Jun 18 2013 1:49 PM

  keidan:

  I'm not so sure this is all that is going on, that is, a pure mapping issue. Even in your still pictures, the end of the ball trajectory seems a bit sudden for a ball coming to rest near a cup and not influenced by it (the motion in the replay shows it more clearly).  I could understand if this happens perhaps on a fairway or light rough but do not expect it on a "smooth" green surface.

  Well, he was using the top Nike balls (with 4 dots of spin) and I've seen 'em do some strange dances on the green.  And I seen 'em stop dead when you'd think they wouldn't.

• Doublemochaman 2,009 Posts

  Tue, Jun 18 2013 1:50 PM

  borntobesting... your dad had a hole-in-one.  He should have reached in and plucked the ball out of the hole with his hand.  Never trust those pins.

• Wheels65 744 Posts

  Tue, Jun 18 2013 2:39 PM

  BtB,

   Kinda wondered why the IRL Pros were "tip-toeing" around reaching into the hole to pull their ball out!  Looked like a JR HS prom - 'if I can get it out with 2 fingers......" must  = good

   

  PS. POLE SHAKING must be a NO - NO!

• keidan 311 Posts

  Tue, Jun 18 2013 3:00 PM

  andyson:

  Well, he was using the top Nike balls (with 4 dots of spin) and I've seen 'em do some strange dances on the green.  And I seen 'em stop dead when you'd think they wouldn't.

  Good point, I hadn't considered what heavy amounts of spin can do.  that only leaves this one that I am aware of, where it looks like a putt was influenced by the cup lip, changing direction and starting a downward motion. 

  I suppose it could also be explained to a degree by a mapping error coinciding with a green that appears to have more roughness to it... judging from the traced path.  -Keith

• sweetspott 26,443 Posts

  Tue, Jun 18 2013 3:12 PM

  I had this at BPB #11

  replay.aspx?ID=2ae57729 d043 4a3e bdd1 a1b000025df3

   

• WoodenHands 526 Posts

  Tue, Jun 18 2013 4:21 PM

  WoodenHands:

  How this isn't  in i don't know , sickener , only had one before and it was a crapper , this one looked great all the way , left me the shortest putt ever -

   http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=555a1e60-4b6c-4ada-922b-a1e1009e9020

  Edit : As if to compound my misery i came 2nd in this RG , tying with winner's score , but losing on countback -

  http://www.wgt.com/golf-tournaments/leaderboard.aspx?id=3349912b-2772-43d6-b4da-a1e100762ff3

   

• keidan 311 Posts

  Tue, Jun 18 2013 4:21 PM

  sweetspott:

  I had this at BPB #11

  replay.aspx?ID=2ae57729 d043 4a3e bdd1 a1b000025df3

  Yes, this is similar to DAZZA501's replay earlier in the thread.  As Andyson pointed out above, heavy spin (and slope I might add) can cause a ball to plant itself with no bounce on the green.  This has happened to me as well (not apparently over the cup) even though I don't use balls and clubs that generate the most spin.  And so the explanation for your replay could be a mapping problem.  -Keith

• bubbadork 984 Posts

  Wed, Jun 19 2013 3:29 AM

  I suspect some of the levitations are due to mapping errors. This could be a mapping error but you hear the ball tink against the pin. With a mapping error one would hear the ball tink and see it tink against empty air, the tink being generated by calculated position, not the alignment of a photo with a map (and no rebound plotted).

  One knows there are mapping errors on occasion, as when the ball is stated to be in the rough, but appears to be on fairway, or vice versa. 

  One would expect the photos to be most closely keyed to the contours in the immediate vicinity of the hole.