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L90 R11 irons question on mapping..

• Choppography 2,166 Posts

  Fri, Jul 19 2013 9:59 PM

  A lot of my clubs feel inconsistent lately (past couple months), as if WGT has dialed up the randomness and sensitivity.  My yardages feel "all over the place."

  That said, I upgraded recently to the R11 irons and started mapping them with the Cally i(s) ball.  I need a little input.

  Hole 12 on BPB, wind is non-factor.  Ydgs are ball's carry only, not total distance.

  3i with 1/2 spin (3/4 to some of you) had a scatter chart of *218, *217, *228, 193, and 224.  The * is where I hit the ding.  The others weren't terrible misses, as I denote them differently, too.  When I applied full bs, I had *223 and 211 with only a slight miss of the ding on shot #2.

  4i with 1/2 spin gave shots 195x, 197, 196, 202, and 201.  Full bs gave *204, 196, *202.

  The "x" is a bad ding miss.

  The 4i was pretty tight and seemed fairly dependable.  But, the 3i seems inconsistent.  The dinged shots looked good until that 228, but was immediately followed by a slight miss and 193.  It's as if I caught a nice gust of wind downwind on the 228 and right back into the teeth of it for the 193.  However, this wind was never picked up by my wind gauge.

  Is all this within the realm of "acceptable" to you guys?  I'm curious because I'd like to map these irons, but the inconsistent numbers will make it feel like a waste of time......and credits.

  Input requested..........thanks in advance.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Jul 20 2013 5:18 AM

  Choppography:

  Hole 12 on BPB, wind is non-factor.

  Yes it is since you can't set up no wind conditions. Those little winds will affect the shot. The way around this is to hit back and forth on that fairway with the same iron and then average the results. 

  Check out Chrisironsbones' profile-he has a really nice chart on the R11's that you can use as a baseline.

• courteneyfish 15,796 Posts

  Sat, Jul 20 2013 5:22 AM

  There are some Tournaments on here with zero wind on occasion. Or you can set up a low wind one in our club on Kiawah where the speeds go down to as little as 1 mph.

• Choppography 2,166 Posts

  Sat, Jul 20 2013 6:46 AM

  YankeeJim:

  Choppography:

  Hole 12 on BPB, wind is non-factor.

  Yes it is since you can't set up no wind conditions. Those little winds will affect the shot. The way around this is to hit back and forth on that fairway with the same iron and then average the results. 

  Check out Chrisironsbones' profile-he has a really nice chart on the R11's that you can use as a baseline.

  Thank you.  I saw the CIB thread and bookmarked it.  I had seen it for a long time, but never had the need until this week....lol.

  As long as that *228 ding and 193 non-ding are "acceptable," I can roll with that and make do.  It just feels like a 35yd difference is a lot in a 3-4mph wind.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Jul 20 2013 11:21 AM

  As a "feel" golfer I found that the more you play, the more instinctive a lot of shots become. Just know that some bs will stop a shot into a wind. Full anything, topspin or backspin, exaggerates the deviation if you miss but once you get the hang of controlling the rollout with partial spin you'll be well on your way to "feeling" what the shot will take.

  The Pinehurst CTTH is the absolute best place to work out the 3, 4 and 5 irons. Those are the clubs that will change your game and the first hole on that CTTH is 191 from the tee. It has perfect camera views in reverse and just playing that hole over and over will give you a really nice variation on the different wind directions and how they affect the shot.

  Learn the irons without spin first. It sounds like you're doing that and just knowing that carry # is going to make you a really strong player. Nice move and GL.   :-)

• Choppography 2,166 Posts

  Sat, Jul 20 2013 2:11 PM

  Don't know that anyone cares, but here are my averages for the clubs paired with the Callie i(z) ball.  I have also noticed that the Legend ball makes the deviation tighter fwiw.

  Club............no spin...........1/2 spin...........full bs

  3i......................215...................216..................220

  4i......................203...................203..................203

  5i......................190....................190..................185

  6i.......................173...................174....................172

  7i.................................................159..................159

  8i..................................................146..................146

  9i..................................................132....................131

  PW................................................116...................114

  Of course, this is a continual work in progress, and the rollouts will change things once i get on the course a little.

  Thanks for the help guys.  This may be a nice little start if I can only find the ding with these things.  I'm not off by much, but I'm not on the ding, either.

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Jul 20 2013 3:01 PM

  Just for comparison. I got these numbers at BPB in low wind practice hitting back and forth like I mentioned above. This was when the R11's first came out and I use the Callaway (s) ball. These are strictly carry numbers . 1st number is no spin, 2nd is full bs.

           none    full bs

  3i     215        221

  4i     200        210

  5i     185        187

  6i     172        172

  7i     162        156

  8i     147        146

  9i     131        131

  pw    118       114

  I don't refer to this very often because I know what to expect with this ball/club combo.

   

   

• forcefan 279 Posts

  Sun, Jul 21 2013 1:56 PM

  I used several sleeves of Callaways with the L79 RocketBladez Irons in early April. Here's what I noted at that time:

  "Callaway Tour i(s) offers many of the same characteristics as NIKE XI-X, except with heavy backspin mis-hits fly all over the course. Unpredictable ball."

  I've been playng the R11 irons since end of May. Charting distances was my first order of business. I settled on the Nike L81 20XI-X RZN, which is a fantastic ball. I won't post my yardages here given the differences between the Callaway and Nike balls.

  I use the expensive L81 Nike ball because it offers 3-1/2 dots of feel, which for me makes the R11 irons pretty easy to ding consistently. I can and do use the less expensive L48 Nike 20XI-X with the R11 irons, as they are superb balls IMO. But I have plenty of credits banked so I can afford the 550 credit/sleeve L81 - since there are no clubs worth upgrading to until I hit L94 sometime in the next Century...

   I almost never use full backspin with any long iron shot. Deviation on mis-dings with the R11 3-iron can result in a serious loss of yardage. 3/4 backspin works well with the club/ball combination, even with the R11 long irons.

  As you noted, Chip, the 4-iron appears to provide a much more stable performance than the 3-iron. That's my experience as well. The 4-iron travels a mile with the Nike balls and accuracy even on slight mis-dings with heavy (not full) backspin is shockingly good.

  One man's experience.

  Good luck & enjoy!

  Rich

• Choppography 2,166 Posts

  Mon, Jul 22 2013 9:22 PM

  YankeeJim:

  Just for comparison. I got these numbers at BPB in low wind practice hitting back and forth like I mentioned above. This was when the R11's first came out and I use the Callaway (s) ball. These are strictly carry numbers . 1st number is no spin, 2nd is full bs.

           none    full bs

  3i     215        221

  4i     200        210

  5i     185        187

  6i     172        172

  7i     162        156

  8i     147        146

  9i     131        131

  pw    118       114

  I don't refer to this very often because I know what to expect with this ball/club combo.

   

   

  Thank you.  It's nice to see we can argue, well politely debate, in one thread and still be cordial in another.  I think that shows a lot of class.  Thanks, YJ, this is why you are a legend and from what I know, a class act.

• Choppography 2,166 Posts

  Tue, Jul 23 2013 2:50 PM

  Thought I'd add something there.  For most courses, it seems 1/2 bs with the i(s) ball L33 goes almost exactly as the club rating.  That's a great baseline from which to start fine-tuning distances.

  Now.....where'd I put that ding?