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Mon, Aug 26 2013 7:28 PM (32 replies)
  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 8:11 AM

    lonniescott711:
    They would have to at least perform better than the G20s, which run a close 2nd to the R11 irons and R11s driver . Even if it comes down to that,, it would be worth the investment . Happy Swinging :-)

    IMO the G20 irons run clearly 3rd behind the Bladez and L90 R11s in that order. IF new HL G25 irons were introduced what exact attributes would you suggest??

    Driver wise I personally I think the R11 driver is better than the G20 just (and only if you can ding), and I see room for it being shelved / a G25 offered also.  That G25 IMO should be more forgiving than the existing R11 driver, but no longer in order for WGT to keep the R11S / R1 relevant.  As I said elsewhere the R11S / R1 should not be as high up as they are either.

    Back to irons, apart from maybe massaging say the G20 3 iron to be a little longer I am struggling to see anything other than fluff iron wise.  Now I am never against more choice, and interested in what other's think 

  • chris5214
    1,937 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 8:29 AM

    lonniescott711:

    chris5214:

    i stay still say they can intro new iron sets above lvl 90, as long as their attributes aren't better than the R11's necessarily, but with varying attributes that give more options at higher levels .. & +1 on the drivers

    But that wouldnt make sense . You look at the 93+ R1 driver , it is a little better than the 94+ R11s . In real life, why would you buy a new club of any kind , if it didnt perform better than the older existing clubs . Even if they do introduce the new G25s , to replace the G20s ,if they dont perform better than what is already available , it would be a waste. They would have to at least perform better than the G20s, which run a close 2nd to the R11 irons and R11s driver . Even if it comes down to that,, it would be worth the investment . Happy Swinging :-)

     

    in my experience with these irons the Bladez stands head & shoulders above the G20's performance wise .. & the R11 irons are a tad better than the Bladez on the 3 & 4 irons ..

    so the intro of new iron sets above lvl 90, in comparison to the R11's could be something like this:

    R11                                                          G25 (or whatever)

    distance 120-225                                  distance 120-225

    precision 4.5 dots                                  precision 4 dots

    forgiveness 3 dots                                 forgiveness 2.5 dots

    spin 4 dots                                              spin 4 dots

    mtr speed 1pm                                       mtr speed 12pm

     

    the R11's are still better, the Bladez remain top 3 irons & G25's become an additional option at higher levels for players who want more options.

    just an example

  • SteveOx
    699 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 8:50 AM

    I say if they bring out the G25s to replace the higher level G20s they should have the true HIgh Trajectory such as the Bladez and the R11 set..  In that case they would be better than the G20s but not better than the R11's.  Fix how the 6-iron reacts once they do introduce them; if they are using the G20 platform.

     

     

     

  • lonniescott711
    4,207 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 9:21 AM

    chris5214:

    lonniescott711:

    chris5214:

    i stay still say they can intro new iron sets above lvl 90, as long as their attributes aren't better than the R11's necessarily, but with varying attributes that give more options at higher levels .. & +1 on the drivers

    But that wouldnt make sense . You look at the 93+ R1 driver , it is a little better than the 94+ R11s . In real life, why would you buy a new club of any kind , if it didnt perform better than the older existing clubs . Even if they do introduce the new G25s , to replace the G20s ,if they dont perform better than what is already available , it would be a waste. They would have to at least perform better than the G20s, which run a close 2nd to the R11 irons and R11s driver . Even if it comes down to that,, it would be worth the investment . Happy Swinging :-)

     

    in my experience with these irons the Bladez stands head & shoulders above the G20's performance wise .. & the R11 irons are a tad better than the Bladez on the 3 & 4 irons ..

    so the intro of new iron sets above lvl 90, in comparison to the R11's could be something like this:

    R11                                                          G25 (or whatever)

    distance 120-225                                  distance 120-225

    precision 4.5 dots                                  precision 4 dots

    forgiveness 3 dots                                 forgiveness 2.5 dots

    spin 4 dots                                              spin 4 dots

    mtr speed 1pm                                       mtr speed 12pm

     

    the R11's are still better, the Bladez remain top 3 irons & G25's become an additional option at higher levels for players who want more options.

    just an example

    But why do you feel , that the R11 line of clubs , should only be the top clubs ? Why shouldnt the G25s , be at least equal to the R11`s, with the same slower meter as the G20s ? Wgt has to remember , that everybody doesnt like the faster meter clubs. This where the G20s come in, as that alternative . Personally , I have always liked the slower meter, which is why I play the G20s. So if the G25s , replace the G20s , it would only make sense , that they have the same meter speed as the G20s .The lower level irons , could be equal to or better than the 79+ Rocketbladez , and the 83+ irons could be equal to or slightly better than the R11 irons. They dont have to be longer in distance , but equal in distance, and stopping power . The same goes for the drivers as well . Of course you do realize , that as we can only speculate on our part , we both may be in for a big let down. Happy Swinging :-)

     

  • lonniescott711
    4,207 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 9:39 AM

    Jimbog1964:

    lonniescott711:
    They would have to at least perform better than the G20s, which run a close 2nd to the R11 irons and R11s driver . Even if it comes down to that,, it would be worth the investment . Happy Swinging :-)

    IMO the G20 irons run clearly 3rd behind the Bladez and L90 R11s in that order. IF new HL G25 irons were introduced what exact attributes would you suggest??

    Driver wise I personally I think the R11 driver is better than the G20 just (and only if you can ding), and I see room for it being shelved / a G25 offered also.  That G25 IMO should be more forgiving than the existing R11 driver, but no longer in order for WGT to keep the R11S / R1 relevant.  As I said elsewhere the R11S / R1 should not be as high up as they are either.

    Back to irons, apart from maybe massaging say the G20 3 iron to be a little longer I am struggling to see anything other than fluff iron wise.  Now I am never against more choice, and interested in what other's think 

    Driver wise , the G25 , could be equal to the R1 , since it would be the newer club , with the same slow meter , as the G20 . The lower level G20 irons , could be equal to the 79+ Rocketbladez , and the 83+ irons at least equal to the R11 irons . No we dont need more distance , just an equal choice in club preferences and options in meter speeds . To me this would be the best option, unfortunately , I dont get to make the final decisions .. If only I could be king for one day . Happy Swinging :-)

     

  • jsweetcr
    1,209 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 10:05 AM

    Only thing i really disagree with here even tho i would like to have it is the meter speed. I don't think you can put irons out there that have same type of attributes as R11's like 4. 5 precision and 4 spin and super high trajectory and also give it a slow meter. As stated in other threads i think there need to be a little risk/reward. If you want to be able to toss a ball up into the heavens and stick it like a dart inside 3 feet from 200+ yards out i think you need to have something to lose as well. A faster meter does that, cuz if you miss you don't get as close. So if the g25s had that same slow meter i think they would have to have less forgiveness than the existing G20s cuz now if you miss with the slower meter you really get punished. IMO you can't have everything. You can' have 4.5 prec, 4 spin 3 or 3.5 forgiveness and a slow meter. It would be too much.

     

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 10:50 AM

    lonniescott711:
    But why do you feel , that the R11 line of clubs , should only be the top clubs ? Why shouldnt the G25s , be at least equal to the R11`s, with the same slower meter as the G20s ? Wgt has to remember , that everybody doesnt like the faster meter clubs.

     

    It's not that we like a faster meter, we use these clubs for their attributes...not the meter speed.

     

    lonniescott711:
    and the 83+ irons could be equal to or slightly better than the R11 irons. They dont have to be longer in distance , but equal in distance, and stopping power .

     

    This wouldn't make much sense to have an equal set of club attributes, at a lower level, with a slower meter.

     

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 11:37 AM

    lonniescott711:
    Driver wise , the G25 , could be equal to the R1 , since it would be the newer club , with the same slow meter , as the G20 . The lower level G20 irons , could be equal to the 79+ Rocketbladez , and the 83+ irons at least equal to the R11 irons . No we dont need more distance , just an equal choice in club preferences and options in meter speeds . To me this would be the best option, unfortunately , I dont get to make the final decisions .. If only I could be king for one day . Happy Swinging :-)

     

    Effectively a slow meter R11 set if I have you correctly (called the G25) would just make the game too easy IMO. Certainly my scores would improve, and top player's heaven know's where it would or even could go. Woods wise well given my views .........Thanks for sharing yours even if we do disagree!

  • Boomerboy44
    1,514 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 11:45 AM

    Has to be risk/reward...better clubs with a really fast meter. if you ding it you get close if you miss even a little bit you miss by alot. The game is to easy now for TL's's on up. Better clubs with a slow meter would lead to mid 40's for the top players. People now can't get their money back in RG's  shooting  57's/58's.

  • bhoese
    679 Posts
    Sun, Aug 4 2013 7:29 PM

    jsweetcr:

    Only thing i really disagree with here even tho i would like to have it is the meter speed. I don't think you can put irons out there that have same type of attributes as R11's like 4. 5 precision and 4 spin and super high trajectory and also give it a slow meter. As stated in other threads i think there need to be a little risk/reward. If you want to be able to toss a ball up into the heavens and stick it like a dart inside 3 feet from 200+ yards out i think you need to have something to lose as well. A faster meter does that, cuz if you miss you don't get as close. So if the g25s had that same slow meter i think they would have to have less forgiveness than the existing G20s cuz now if you miss with the slower meter you really get punished. IMO you can't have everything. You can' have 4.5 prec, 4 spin 3 or 3.5 forgiveness and a slow meter. It would be too much.

    The R11s and the Bladez are already true risk/reward clubs.  You have to be very good around the ding to use either set.  New irons further down this evolutionary path would only benefit the gifted and the "gifted", if you know what I mean.

    There are good options at lower levels for players who benefit from slow-metered, forgiving clubs with less spin and precision.  They stop at L47 with the new Max irons.  The G20 series trades dingability for precision and spin just like the Taylormades. It's  to a lesser degree, but you still need to be a pretty darn good dinger to use the L83s effectively.  

    That leaves a lot - I'd guess more than half - of the players without a good option for coping with the longer distances at Legend and above.  The K15s and Raptures are (were, for the Raps) very popular mid-level clubs.  The players who really need those clubs have nothing to buy when they reach the tips.  That's a big market that WGT hasn't tapped.  

    I fool around with my old Rapture irons occasionally.  They're fun to play with for the challenge of rolling the ball a little more than I'm used to.  The biggest problem with that set is the lack of distance.  The 3 Iron isn't even as long as the R11 4, and barely longer than the 5.  I have to use 2 wedges and a hybrid, which makes it extremely difficult to shoot competitive scores.

    I think an iron set with full Legend-capable distance, a slow meter, and high forgiveness would be a big seller.  This set would have to have less precision and spin so that it wouldn't be the best choice for all players (and wouldn't lower the already ridiculous scores that win tournaments).  It would help the game in general if there were more players capable of posting competitive scores.   Players who become discouraged at the upper levels now would have a fighting chance and stick with it.

    This set wouldn't make the game "too easy" either.  Expert course management on approaches (due to lack of stopping power) and excellent putting skills (due to lack of precision) would be required for full proficiency.  

    WGT probably couldn't use the G25 brand on such a set.  Maybe one of the gear makers has a RL set that's targeted to more casual golfers that they'd like to promote.  

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