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Approach Shot Bug or Player Error?

• Slammer23 420 Posts

  Sun, Jan 19 2014 6:48 PM

  b0geybuster:

   

  Never, ever use chip when in the rough beside a green. The ball will not move very far, and this is likely what is causing you the frustration. 

  Try, pitch, punch, flop or even full shot.

  Cheers,

  b0gey

  I guess YMMV, based on the clubs you're using --- I use chip from greenside rough fairly often, as long as there's not too much sideslope. I particularly like it on the 30% because on legend greens, the 10 ft chip goes 10 ft. No adjustment necessary. I guess you gotta have good wedges for that.

   

• bradfregger 2 Posts

  Sun, Jan 19 2014 11:36 PM

  This was the best advice I received and I want to thank those that suggested it. However, and this is meant to the developer, I consider this a work around, the chip shot should work as it does in real life, at least be much closer than it is here. I remember a time I was tempted to go against the physics. We were doing Jack 4 and we couldn't get the ball to go into the hole properly on short putts. It was driving me and the client's producer crazy, finally I told the programmer to just put the ball in the hole, "Dennis ... this is just a game." Luckily he didn't pay any attention to this bad advice. He was committed to the physics and believed that there was something going on that needed fixing. The next day he came into my office and exclaimed, "I solved the problem!"

  "What did you do?" I asked.

  "I put the golf hole down an inch into the ground, instead of having it flush with ground. Now the ball goes in like it should."

  I called the client's producer and told him we'd solved the problem, he was a scratch golfer. After I told him there was silence on the other end of the line. "What's wrong?" I asked.

  "Nothing on your end. ... I sitting here feeling very guilty ... I forgot to tell you that the top of the hole was to be placed and inch below ground level." We both laughed.

  I can tell you this the physics for Jack Nicklaus 4, 5, and 6 were the best golf physics in the world. We actually had top golf experts looking at our physics. However, the best games can never beat out the best marketed games and I was impossible for the Jack Nicklaus games to beat Microsoft and Tiger Woods.

  By the way, the course designer was the best commercial designer ever developed also. You should have seen some of the courses that players sent us. Many of them equaled what we were able to produce in house. The saying build and they will come ... and surprise you!" is very true.

• MainzMan 9,593 Posts

  Mon, Jan 20 2014 12:56 AM

  Slammer23:

  I guess YMMV, based on the clubs you're using --- I use chip from greenside rough fairly often, as long as there's not too much sideslope. I particularly like it on the 30% because on legend greens, the 10 ft chip goes 10 ft. No adjustment necessary. I guess you gotta have good wedges for that.

  A chip from rough will never be as reliable as playing one of the other shots.  Sure, it will work at times but every now and then you'll get a shot that moves 2 inches or so.  Bogey really knows what he's talking about, he's one of the top players around here so his advice is usually pretty spot on.

  Each to their own of course and if you find chipping from greenside rough works then that's good.  For shots under 10 yards I prefer to pitch, whether from rough, fairway or fringe.  That way I'm always playing the same shot and can be pretty sure how far the ball is going to roll out after landing.  If I used a chip now and then it would just add another variable, one I probably wouldn't use enough to become familiar with.  For anything between 10 and about 43 yards I use a punch.  I play a flop only if there's an obstacle in the way or the green runs away steeply.  I could probably count the number of chip shots I've taken on the fingers of Bart Simpson's hand.

  As I said though, horses for courses, just because I do it that way doesn't make it the right way.

• andwhy67 2,816 Posts

  Thu, Jan 23 2014 9:18 AM

  which begs the question, whats this got to do with an iphone 5 ??

  *edit* just looked and the graphics come from about 30 yrs ago!!

• borntobesting 9,772 Posts

  Thu, Jan 23 2014 10:40 AM

  For shots 8 yards and under from the fringe and light rough I use the chip with the 64 degree Cleveland controlling distance by varying the amount of spin and avatar moves. From 13 down it is the pitch with the 64 degree. I must be doing something right as i have 386 holed approach shots and probably about 95% of those are from around the green. My scrambling and sand saves percentage are both lousy but that is because very early in my WGT career I experimented a lot with different types of shots finding what would and wouldn't work. Plus much of those 2 stats are also due to my absolutely lousy putting.