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• slillico 393 Posts

  Thu, Jan 16 2014 8:40 PM

  Chinajohn:

  I go to Bethpage Back 9 and bang them up and down to map them. However you infer your mapping continues after that.

  It does, you have it right but it does not stop there. I'll let Jim answer but I will add.

  Take some notes and on Notes, here's an example of my day 1 notes with the Nikes:

  227(225) 3 2 OClock Hit 3I 100% 100% BS 6 yards Short
  227(227) 2 2 OClock Hit 3I 100% 50% BS 7 yards long

  OK so really small sample size, but what do I do on the 3rd time?

  100% 75% BS was my choice and stiffed it. So what did I learn from that?

  I learned that 227 75% BS from the tee might be accurate and 1 or both of the other results is wrong. So what do I do the 4th time? I play 1 of the earlier results to see if there is a repeat.

  I threw away plenty of RG's and ranked rounds mapping my clubs, but I think that's where a really good mapping will come from.

  IMHO, the no wind is pretty good for mapping, but again not necessarily completely reliable.

  Rome was not built in a day, neither is mapping the clubs.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Thu, Jan 16 2014 9:02 PM

  slillico:

  Chinajohn:

  I go to Bethpage Back 9 and bang them up and down to map them. However you infer your mapping continues after that.

  It does, you have it right but it does not stop there. I'll let Jim answer but I will add.

  Take some notes and on Notes, here's an example of my day 1 notes with the Nikes:

  227(225) 3 2 OClock Hit 3I 100% 100% BS 6 yards Short
  227(227) 2 2 OClock Hit 3I 100% 50% BS 7 yards long

  OK so really small sample size, but what do I do on the 3rd time?

  100% 75% BS was my choice and stiffed it. So what did I learn from that?

  I learned that 227 75% BS from the tee might be accurate and 1 or both of the other results is wrong. So what do I do the 4th time? I play 1 of the earlier results to see if there is a repeat.

  I threw away plenty of RG's and ranked rounds mapping my clubs, but I think that's where a really good mapping will come from.

  IMHO, the no wind is pretty good for mapping, but again not necessarily completely reliable.

  Rome was not built in a day, neither is mapping the clubs.

  +1 no great secrets.  Turn up at a St As par 3 I don't even look at the general chart's just what has happened that hole before for what club / spin setting / which wind. Beth #5 I think I can stick the right pin pretty good but like to run up to the back one.  Oak 18 back Pin fire short to run up and risk hitting that mound and ping back down lol - hole knowledge.

  For Basics (all low cross wind):

  I use Beth 10 for long irons and fire different shots, various irons, differing spins, noting exactly what I am doing.  Each setting I take the best 5 as an average counting ONLY dinged shots.  Short irons Beth 11 same and check that to Kia #1.  Beth 12 is a good test for all to make sure the earlier ones stack up still.

  After that as I alluded to backing up Sli (I think) then you start learning what happens in different winds.  Some holes just differ to and all good.

  I don't expect exact darts distance wise, and any one who has done mapping knows it is not there to be had, but some some sensible yardage consistency as offered by the R11 irons is not too much to ask.

  You have my basic elevation calcs and that's all just simple stuff from the main forums.  I found them a great general start point at the very least.

  As Sli says Rome not built in a day.  Why I am saying I am seeing some consistency now I hope, but can't commit to any final comment / what I feel is best for my game yet I feel

• mkg335 5,491 Posts

  Thu, Jan 16 2014 9:13 PM

  Andy, Sli, and Jim...all good points and very helpful information, as usual.  As far as what the money leaders are using, I agree that they could probably use hickory shafted spoons and mashie niblicks and still be on top.

  ;-)

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Thu, Jan 16 2014 9:47 PM

  slillico:

  So my credits are enough to re-buy the r11's, do I?

  I realize that not everyone's experience is the same.

  Save your credits and buy some L61 Nikes instead. They perform much better with the L97 Nike irons than those L81s you´ve got. The irons out-perform the R11s by quite a margin when using these balls.

  NB. I personally only use the L81s for the par 5 course, where the greater length from the tee and stopping power with the long irons outweigh the few wtf shots that are generated.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Thu, Jan 16 2014 10:30 PM

  fmag will try it after some time has passed.  Was about to say these are fine for A/S with the L81 ball and that's about it.

  Just WD from two RGs and I don't easily as happy put in some half recoup something, but zero confidence in this club / L81 ball combo. I have no clue as to distance.  Problem is not by a few yards, but by 20 yards with a 6 iron.........R11s I might miss ding and be short or long a bit - whatever- but 20 yards with 3 MPH cross wind firing a 6 iron nah, and evenI had that shot marked as fine just not long ago.....

  For those that can play these with a L81 ball (and not talking my 3 yr old niece could do it A/S or cheapo free comp low wind Beth stuff) I salute.  Shows the difference in class between me and the players at the top of the leader board.

  For me my 11 foot dist to pin (hoping for 10  in what 3 or 4 months) with the R11 irons would be nearer 17 feet in a month with these.

  The L97 VR Nike / L81 Nike ball combo does go straight at least now for me.  Trouble is for me it's 20 yards short or long that's the issue. Over it for now.

  These irons are great with a L33 Cally - can't go wrong up to the limitation's of that ball. L81 Nike and these, and I have more chance of being closer with starter everything.

  Will try the L61 ball maybe in time.  I am not that serious a player, but thanks for the tip. 

  EDIT: Spoke to a couple and this thing seems know zero rhyme or reason.  It is NOT a TOP player only club as some love it who are decent but no great stats (not complete Fwits with 17 feet dist to pin and who never play outside Beth F9 low wind or A/S), ......................Only go by what I see and away from some el cheapo Beth low wind free comp or A/S this thing don't hold up.  

  In 3 or 4 months I will have a dist to pin of 10 feet (at current rate I wager) and 1 putts near 60% with the R11s.  In two months with the Nikes I would have 17 feet and under 50%........No brainer.  Can only go by what I see. 

  EDIT 2:

  Could not resist LOL:)

  So far a big THANKS for the advice.

  I seem to be able to roll back the power on FBS / back of the BS a little, and so on to get sensible outcomes.

  Not tested this in anything other than a couple of who cares rounds, but does seem like the old Intuitivness of play is back, which was lacking with the L81 ball teamed with these irons to say the very least (for me at any rate).

  Very early doors, and so many false dawns with these irons I am hesitating big to just say case solved for my game, but............  

   

• PaulH0070 1,339 Posts

  Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:31 AM

  I said from the very start of having these clubs that if you know what you're doing these clubs are lethal, if you don't they will send your game backwards.

  I have no idea how to get the consistent shot with them, the odd blow your mind brilliant shot and then you try the same thing again and it's 20 yards short. Full b/spin opens a masssive can of worms and after reading tips I'm slowly getting the hang of them in general but the WTF shots are just killing me.

  I'm still using them in the hope I can get the bad shots only as as bad as the off R11 shots. But to be honest I know that won't happen. No idea how much further they are putting me from the flag, I really will start keeping a log to see, maybe it's not as bad as I'm thinking.

  A comment I read a while back sums it up for me in that if you'd never played this game and used both sets you'd think the R11 was the dearer set. They are so much easier to use for the normal player.

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:13 PM

  PaulH0070:

  I have no idea how to get the consistent shot with them, the odd blow your mind brilliant shot and then you try the same thing again and it's 20 yards short. 

  Again, you are using the L71 ball, which is the same as the L81 apart from meter speed. If you like that meter speed, go to the L48s. You will never see a 20 yard variance on a shot again.

• PaulH0070 1,339 Posts

  Fri, Jan 17 2014 1:47 PM

  Well just thrown the towel in, came off a couple of games in my CC with one of our low avg TL and got an education in how to play properly. Nikes sold.

  Quite clearly I need to learn how to hit the R11's and I'll be knocking them to 2 ft max like he was while I'm 20 ft away with my 'awesome' Nikes, lol

  Final straw was congo 4th 5 wind behind, i was 159 away and needed a 6 iron hit to 175 to JUST clear the bunker with n/f/bs and he just floated in an 8 iron from 156 to 1 ft. I was 18 ft away. 

  Game over, thanks for playing. That'll be 4 grand just for trying, won't be falling for that again any time soon.

  Good luck to everyone who finds a way to make these clubs fit into your style of play, if you manage it you'll be laughing. If you don't you'll be crying.

  cheers,

  Paul

• slillico 393 Posts

  Fri, Jan 17 2014 3:57 PM

  PaulH0070:

  Well just thrown the towel in, came off a couple of games in my CC with one of our low avg TL and got an education in how to play properly. Nikes sold.

  Quite clearly I need to learn how to hit the R11's and I'll be knocking them to 2 ft max like he was while I'm 20 ft away with my 'awesome' Nikes, lol

  Final straw was congo 4th 5 wind behind, i was 159 away and needed a 6 iron hit to 175 to JUST clear the bunker with n/f/bs and he just floated in an 8 iron from 156 to 1 ft. I was 18 ft away. 

  Game over, thanks for playing. That'll be 4 grand just for trying, won't be falling for that again any time soon.

  Good luck to everyone who finds a way to make these clubs fit into your style of play, if you manage it you'll be laughing. If you don't you'll be crying.

  cheers,

  Paul

  Paul et al, I feel your pain.

  But again no ones experience is the same, i realize that, my last several rounds in RG's and others I have with these and the high level nikes has been a good experience.

  I would love to say I did not use fbs, but i did, I would love to say it was all low wind, but it was not, I would love to say I played all missed ding but I did not, I would love to say I did something and learned a secret, but I did not. I just played and played, charted and took notes and they started to work.

  EDIT: And then the calendar changes.

  It would be nice to turn back time, would I have spent countless days trying to map these things and at the end of the day the r11 mapping would work good enough because these things are just so inconsistent, would i have spent 4000 credits on clubs that are far better and far worse depending on the round, the hour, the day, the course, the wind etc, would I have spent15000 credits trying to find a ball that stays working? I highly doubt it.

  Lets take a peek into my golf bag at my ball cache, a few weeks ago I had 14 cally 33 old balls, and 60 or so wgt gi3 balls and maybe 14 lvl 81 nikes.

  Today I have 6 lvl 75, 8 lvl 71, 10 lvl 85, 3 lvl 81, 6 lvl 45, 8 lvl 48, 9 lvl 61, 7 lvl 34, 3 lvl 39, 9 lvl 35, 13 max, 12 lvl 33 new, 9 lvl 33 old, 6 lethal and still have about 60 wgt balls, and a BIG S tattooed on my forehead.

  They have failed probation, they will stay in the bag in hopes they are fixed and become the premier club, but at my first opportunity the r11's are going back in.

  I just want to play golf, I'm tired and my head hurts.

   

• PaulH0070 1,339 Posts

  Sat, Jan 18 2014 10:23 AM

  Couldn't agree more Slillico, everyone has different experiences with clubs, putters etc. It's no different to real life. 

  I wouldn't expect to be able to hit a 7.5* driver with an x stiff shaft even if it cost 10 times more than my 9.5* reg shafted equivalent, it's too good a club for my standard.

  And I think the same applied to the Nikes, they were too good for my style of play.

  Purely for justification I'm 'pleased' to hear that these clubs under perform for many people in the same way they did for me, I just wish I'd read more reviews before I wasted 4k.

  So glad I didn't waste any more trying to find the combo of ball to make these work. I'm not even convinced it does work, there's still plenty of talk of these things working for a few holes then going off the boil completely.

  Again, best of luck to those sticking with it. Just one word of advice, if you've still got them don't go back to try those R11's just one last time, they're like the return of an old friend and you'll never remove them again. Not that that would be a bad thing, lol