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The System is so Broken

• jbenny11 863 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 3:35 PM

  This is all you need to know about fairness in this stupid fkd up game. #10 Bethpage, dinged drive into 20 mph headwind I'm left 248 into same wind. The problem is I have to carry a hybrid, as 3wd only helps on a couple shots per 18. Even a 3wd here won't get me on the dance floor. Now I'm not bashing TM for how the game is now, but spare me any point of view you have on this subject because you have not a clue. JB

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 3:58 PM

  Richard4168:

  It also isn't my fault I had i15 clubs when WGT decided to implement Tiers & Levels. The other poster is right, you should concentrate your anger towards something more constructive like the playability issues of this game that many members suffer from.

  First if you read my first comment you would have seen I am calling WGT out. Everyone suffers from a shitty meter. That's fair. Whats not fair is a 63.48 Average Level 81 Tour Master, now using a longer driver and winning money. This is broken. This screwed. This is completely unfair. This prevents inter tier play. This causes hard feelings. As long as I see such unreasonable disparagy I will continue to point it out. The Kings naked. No clothes. The games broken. I have played every MMROP out there and never have I seen a game where  a lesser tier can use equipment that a greater tier can't.

  Once again it's very refreshing to see all those who have benifeted from the system defend it. Maybe if you too complained that you can't find any MPC legends to play it might change?????

• VilaRestal 95 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 4:25 PM

  Who are you talking to JB?

  To be honest spare us your point of view because you haven't been reading the previous posts (or if you have you've missed the point completely). For your benefit - the story so far:

  Kaslo posted some scores for a TM that were in know way remarkable and seemed to think that that person should be made a legend (presumably along with practically every other TM and quite a lot of masters that could manage those scores).

  Kaslo then goes on to say 'well it's actually the level 81 TMs constantly shooting sub 30/60s'. He has been asked to give an example or two and I've have heard nothing back.

  (Do you know of any such TMs JB? I notice none of the 3 TMs the earnings leaderboard are shooting sub 30s and neither are any of the TMs I can find.)

  That it sucks to be a legend is not under any doubt - I certainly wouldn't cope and would be averaging mid-70s at least I'm sure - but that was not what this thread was about.

  It was whether there are hordes of TM sandbaggers who should be promoted to legend too. I see no evidence for that and Kaslo's example at the start tends to make me more convinced that there are very few if any because that person was obviously not one and if that's the best Kaslo can come up with...

  So, now you know what 'this subject' is you might want to think again about who hasn't got a clue or start a new thread if you want to start a new subject (about which only legends have a clue because no TM has ever experienced not being able to reach a green on the 2nd shot - oh no, hang on, that's always the case on holes 5, 7 and 15 on BPB for me even with a tailwind - yep, i know the feeling well).

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 4:35 PM

  Are you blind?

  The number one TM scores are as follows

  Oct 29

  2 games @ 30, 2 games @ 31 and a 18@ 61

  Oct 28

  1 game @ 28, 2 game @ 31

  Oct 27

  Posted a 29

  Number 2 TM money earner

  Oct 29

  2 games @ 30, 1 game @ 29

  Now you show me average Legend shooting scores like this in Ready Goes. Only the very elite of our tier scores like this. It seem quite obvious to me that if you are shooting scores like this you shouldn't be a TM and if you are then the system is broken. Do you honestly believe a player of this caliber should be a Tour Master?

   

• VilaRestal 95 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 4:39 PM

  Kaslo:

  Once again it's very refreshing to see all those who have benifeted from the system defend it.

  Firstly, nobody was defending the system!!!!

  Secondly, who in this thread has benefited from it? Come on - name names.

  If you're trying to point out how the system is broken give some good examples not the feeble one at the beginning of this thread.

  That is what this whole thread is about: Whether TMs with scores like that (i.e. most of them) should be made legends. Anything else (how unfair it is to be a legend) is off topic.

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 4:48 PM

  VilaRestal:

  If you're trying to point out how the system is broken give some good examples not the feeble one at the beginning of this thread.

  Any circumstance where a TM is allowed to carry a better average than a legend is a farce. The player I first identified happens to have an average of 62.43. This is a prime example of whats wrong. The second you hit the average lvl of a legend which would be around 66 then you turn into one. Anything else is unfair and unacceptable.

• VilaRestal 95 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 4:57 PM

  Kaslo,

  The number 1 earning TMs scores are as follows:

  72, 67, 30, 61, 37, 30, 65, 37, 31, 38, 33, 36, 34, 67, 33, 32, 33, 28, 63, 31, 72, 31, 32, 37, 74, 29, 33, 32, 30, 34, 72, 35, 34, 72, 32, 31, 71, 34, 64, 30, 32, 33, 33, 67, 34, 32, 69, 33, 63, 33, 34, 71, 33, 31, 33, 32, 67, 69, 35, 66, etc, etc

  Out of 60 games: a 28, a 29 and 4 30s. Certainly not regularly hitting sub 30s, which is what you were claiming.

  Very good scores but what would you expect from the highest earning TM. It doesn't take a genius to figure that the best TM is going to be a prime candidate for becoming a legend.

  Once again a feeble example. And you accuse me of being blind?

• jakestanfill7 949 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 4:57 PM

  Here's a good example.  Played a TM yesterday on Kiawah back nine that had the same exact equipment as me.  My avg 62.1 his 62.4.  Average distance to hole on approach difference was 37.8 per hole.  That's almost 3 clubs against someone who posts the same scores as me.

  Yes it is unfair but I've never been one to shy away from a challenge.  I chipped in for bird on 18 to tie and took him in extras. 

  I love the challenge of the back tees.  Don't think TMs should have access to the same equipment I use though but will play a challenge match against any of them.

• VilaRestal 95 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:03 PM

  Kaslo:

  The second you hit the average lvl of a legend which would be around 66 then you turn into one.

  But that's the level of becomming a TM!

  LMAO, were you not aware of that?

  So you do think all TMs should be Legends?

  That's your idea of fairness: A master's score drops below 66 and becomes a legend with no prospect of demotion when their score rockets up to the high 70s. A ridiculous idea!

  Like I said, you should be arguing for better conditions for Legends.

• VilaRestal 95 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:05 PM

  jakestanfill7:

  Don't think TMs should have access to the same equipment I use

  Totally agree

  But again, off topic, the thread was about whether sub 65 average TMs should all be made Legends.