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Tue, Nov 4 2014 4:10 PM (44 replies)
  • DonCaron
    5,502 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 7:08 AM

    You have a very good point Flashy. Why waste your money

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 8:06 AM

    If the site is illegal, then we can all be accused of aiding and abetting;)

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 8:28 AM

    Sheesh, the next thing will be credit laundering.  :-D

  • Kaloke
    232 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 9:21 AM

    JordzNZ:

    well it feels like real money when it leaves my credit card.

    Point is though that wgt sets up free tournament for you to win credits, you can also do surveys/watch videos etc to receive free credits. There are many players that have not spent any "real" money on wgt. So since wgt does not require you to use "real" money to enter paid tournaments, challenge rounds with others, I do not see how that is gambling. You using your credit card to purchase virtual equipment/credits is your choice but is not required. You just need to earn credits by Earn Free credits at the top of this page under Get Credits, you also earn credits when you advance tiers. Just sayin.

  • dedBuNNy
    1,919 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 9:23 AM

    In the original business outline that WGT put forth there is lots of language in it specifically addressing the fact that wgt.com does not operate as a gambling site, also many references to on-line poker.

    It's quite funny, because in the legal sense wgt.com meets many of the criteria laid out in what constitutes on-line gambling. Playing Skin's games is gambling, there's no grey area there.

    The assertion that wgt's credits are not currency is not correct either, wgt's credit purchasing mechanisms apply US currency exchange rates, so they're treating their credits as currency. If they were simply to be used in the game, there would be no need to do this, wgt has assigned a real world intrinsic value to their credits by allowing the exchange rate to apply. They've set the value for each credit to one US penny. 

    You can purchase items and products that can be delivered to you. That is real money in and real money out. That again places a monetary value on their credits. It's their currency.

    Sheesh, the next thing will be credit laundering.

    Well, that's well known here.... lol

  • stevepsheehan
    2,791 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 10:42 AM

    Not trying to make any particular point here, but is buying WGT Credits to gamble with in WGT games any different to buying Casino Chips to gamble on a Casino's roulette table?

    Apart from the fact that at a casino, you have a chance of winning, and cashing in your chips later.

     

    Also, the following quote may be of interest to some; it comes from the UK's Gambling Commission, Technical Report - Exploring Social Gambling: Scoping, Classification and Evidence Review, and I think describes what they see this game as, though I have to confess that I have never heard the term before:

    "The Freemium model is an evolving payment method which enables players to access the core product (the game) for free. Acquired players are then encouraged to pay for additional game content or privileges (referred to as micro-transactions)."

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 11:14 AM

    Pay lawyer Y per the hour to argue their point to lawyer Z, and vice Versa, both will keep arguing until payments stop.

    OK that's more true of countries that utilise English type law more I accept (and includes US obviously), but good enough for this here without writing pages:)

    High random wind Par 5 RGs IMHO sail very close to the wind, but other credit comps are more a test of skill, and so not gambling.  Now what was I saying about those two lawyers:) 

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 11:41 AM

    JordzNZ:
    Is WGT, actually breaking the law?. The reason i ask is this, when you run a company that profits from gambling, (RG, Skins, Brackets) and you manipulate the game to favor one person over the other, doesnt that break gaming laws of almost all countries?

    I've no legal knowledge but I'd say no.

    WGT gets exactly the same profit from skins, brackets etc whoever wins.

    WGT, as far as I know, don't give particular players certain conditions, the conditions each player gets are random.   The odds are the same for all (ignoring each players skill) at the point of entry.

    It seems to me that real (meaning it's their main purpose) gambling sites need to have random elements, or how would they work?  You may win with 17 at blackjack a particular number at roulette etc etc while I lose with the same.  The dealer getting 21 against me and going bust when you play is luck.

  • HackWilson1930
    1,437 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 12:20 PM

    As I mentioned in an earlier post. this is considered a skill based game and is not subject to gambling laws in most states or countries.

    Like poker sites, skillgame sites take a rake from head-to-head and tournament games, but unlike casino games or games of chance, the outcome of a skill game is predominantly determined by the user's skill level.

    Successful skill games heavily modify the game play of "regular" casual games such as solitaire or sudoku in order to remove as many random events as possible.[6] The analogy is that the influence of chance in a skill game should not exceed the influence of chance in any other pro sport competition, such as golf or football.

    This is a California company and it abides by the law so there is no basis to say it is unlawful. But, as pointed out, you don't have to pay to play if you desire not to.

     

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Sat, Nov 1 2014 12:58 PM

    JordzNZ:
    Let me put it this way, say myself and you(whoever is reading this) enter a tournament, it is on the Par 5 course, with heavy winds. We both put 500 credits in and off we go. Now every hole you play you have a tail wind, You am making eagles left right and center, Even your missed ding shots and putts are going where you want to. Wow you are haing an amazing round. congratulations.

    Looks like we have a new CIB on the case,

    JordzNZ:
    I am out of pocket REAL money cause wgt decided before i teed off that someone else should have a better round then me and win my money.

    Sound familiar, where have I heard this before???

     

    JordzNZ:
    But then if you go down that path does that then open WGT up to false advertising claims saying that the purchase of virtual equipment wiill improve your game due to having these attributes associated with that purchase but then in reality it wouldnt matter what clubs/balls you have if it is determined that from the get go

    Took a 4 month break but looks like there's a new kid on the block to take my place, i can finally retire, and read the Gospel according to CIB.

    JordzNZ:
    Now i tee off.... EVERY wind is in my face. i am not reaching any green in two. My putts start off on the wrong line cause i missed the ding by 1mm. My drives are staying on the wrong line cause i missed the ding by 1mm

    One thing about this statement, YES, in some rounds WGT will make your round/conditions much tougher and you might struggle and this statement backs it up, as you say you miss the ding by a mm.  There we go, in one of those "tough" rounds, missing the ding by any means might exaggerate the shot, but on the flip side you can get other rounds where you miss the ding and ball goes straight.   It WILL even itself out.  I've had plenty of rounds where i have had a HELPING HAND by WGT and landing close with missing ding loads on wind side, or missing ding on the break side when putting yet ball goes straight.  No one seems to praise WGT for those rounds where they have Let US WIN...LOL 

    Take It from me me junior,  posting here (from my experience) will only give you ridicule and a target on your back as too many players see WGT as their religion and will not let us say anything bad about it.  Just accept Its part of the game and yes It is manipulated at times but its the same for every one and WGT will LET YOU WIN as often as it MAKES YOU LOSE, Its how it is, EMBRACE IT as it will  not change to let you score well every round.

    But what i have noticed even more since playing again is that on par 3's the "ding deviation" is worse than ever, you aim well right to compensate for wind DING shot but shot starts off directly towards the pin and you seem to land well left of pin, it even happened just now on Oly #3 and i then had a awkward 25 foot putt which i just hit & hope but putt  miraculously zoomed straight for hole. i.e wgt manipulating my putt to compensate for the duff tee approach they gave me LOL!!!!!

    EMBRACE IT, and play WGT for what it is, a GREAT GOLF GAME.(Flaws included)

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