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• IRISHPUNK 4,019 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 9:53 AM

  OP has a right to be pissed.  Dinged shot into a (slight) right to left wind goes 10 yards right of where he aimmed and into the water?  That's not VEM, that's robbery.  

  Meanwhile I saw a shot ICON hit a with the same club and he was a CM early.  His ball didn't deviate nearly as bad and he ended up with a DE for his efforts.  

  I think FM is right.  It's all a lottery.  Except that it's becoming more and more clear that the winners are determined before the games even been played. 

• jayw4862 3,364 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 10:21 AM

  dedBuNNy:

  Soooo that 3wd has a circle of deviation equal to 48ft?

  With the BB 3wd....sad to say, but 48ft is being generous. Hits sweet as long as there isn't a target. I've hit shots just to get down a fairway, dinged, low wind and had them go to another course altogether. 

  And par 3's.....pffffft

  Other than distance, it's "hit and pray".

   

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 10:27 AM

  IRISHPUNK:

  Meanwhile I saw a shot ICON hit a with the same club and he was a CM early.  His ball didn't deviate nearly as bad and he ended up with a DE for his efforts.  

  To be fair, Icon was aiming for the back right of that green (Whistler 7th), and the ball came up well short and left and plopped into the hole. If there is such as thing as VEM rising as you play better, then the game will be well used to Icon missing the ding by a mile and will not punish him by as much!!!!

  That kind of big deviation only happens about 1 in 50 or so shots with the club, but you sure as heck remember them because they wreck rounds. Once in a blue moon I'll get a 6 or 7 yard offliner with a 3i. Much rarer than the 3wds, but the shot is out there waiting to get us all.

• mkg335 5,491 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 10:36 AM

  I'd "hazard" a guess that one of wgt's main sources of revenue is ball sales.  For the consumer, club sales tail off or even stop after a certain level, but balls must be continually replenished...thus the emphasis on unlimited tourneys, programmed meter spikes, and increased deviation around water and OB.

• SPINO1 5,394 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 10:52 AM

  I'd hazard a guess that this is more of the complete bulllshite we have to put up with.What was the OP supposed to do other than play the shot exactly as he did. Forget VEM in this instance, a ding is a ding !

  Refund for the OP in order.

• mkg335 5,491 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 10:59 AM

  Exactly, the OP did nothing wrong but another ball was consumed and another bell rang in the wgt cash register.

  To be fair, when this has happened to me I usually contact customer service and they replace the ball, no questions asked.  To me, this confirms that it's part of the programming, and wgt realizes that very few customers will bother to contact them to register a complaint, or at least that replacing the ball represents such an insignificant expense to them that they're happy to do it in light of the tremendous revenue from ball sales.

• dedBuNNy 1,919 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 11:47 AM

  Well slice it up anyway you like - It's what makes this such an unrealistic game in every sense of the word. This game has no physics engine running anywhere even near it, limitation of the game/tech it's built on.

  They rely on mathematical interference's that are supposed to simulate you 'having a bad swing' or in someway not hitting your ball with the best possible swing you can. Which I understand otherwise it would be more ridiculous than it is now. 

  The problem as I see it is rests squarely on one issue; WGT ties everything into revenue. It dictates every single aspect of what they do here. Nothing they do has anything to do with the 'game', players being able to player well or shoot in a fashion that simulates the game of golf at all. 

  Golf clubs don't have deviation in them, I use Mizuno bladed irons, if I hit them bad I know instantly, other than my hands ringing for 5 mins, the ball doesn't go anywhere close to where I aimed. When I do hit them 'sweet'? Don't even feel like I hit the ball, it just flies dead online to where I aimed, which is the way it's supposed to happen. 

  I get they need to 'so something' to make it interesting... just wish they'd do it for the 'game'.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 12:02 PM

  Those BB 3 woods are not as reliable as they should be when dinged, period, IMO. My gripe is the pro shop specs should be more accurate, but fat chance of that.

• JFidanza 1,676 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 1:17 PM

  mkg335:

   and increased deviation around water 

  I was saying the same thing to someone as we were observing tests on wind bearing and how using that very hole is a bad idea as many have notice that result.*

  I figured it would be best to test on a hole without water, etc. Esp. that one.

  When I was using starter balls I, to repost, "lost so many balls here I've resorted to using the intentional hook esp. w/ quick meter balls."  The method worked very well for me but  I wouldn't try that today as things (forgiveness, etc.) have changed, as been pointed out. (maybe they might change back after an update post-holidays, or maybe not)

   

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  http://www.wgt.com/forums/p/254485/1842113.aspx#1842113

   

• IRISHPUNK 4,019 Posts

  Sun, Dec 7 2014 1:55 PM

  fmagnets:

  IRISHPUNK:

  Meanwhile I saw a shot ICON hit a with the same club and he was a CM early.  His ball didn't deviate nearly as bad and he ended up with a DE for his efforts.  

  To be fair, Icon was aiming for the back right of that green (Whistler 7th), and the ball came up well short and left and plopped into the hole. If there is such as thing as VEM rising as you play better, then the game will be well used to Icon missing the ding by a mile and will not punish him by as much!!!!

  That kind of big deviation only happens about 1 in 50 or so shots with the club, but you sure as heck remember them because they wreck rounds. Once in a blue moon I'll get a 6 or 7 yard offliner with a 3i. Much rarer than the 3wds, but the shot is out there waiting to get us all.

  This is true but he was waaay early, FM.  Reagrdless, I apologize for highjacking the thread.  The OP's shot should have never veered off line and that's the point of this thread.