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• fatdan 3,379 Posts

  Thu, Mar 19 2015 2:12 AM

  lee22sharon:

  I learned early on that their are many individuals playing here who have written time and again how to get your game on track, (meter,dots, etc.) and I have followed their instructions (as best a novice can), advice, example.

  A novice doesn't have 6 yrs, over 2000 RR, and 500 matches under his belt...they can either play or they can't at some point!
  

  
  

   and as of today the dot thing may be fixed.

  The conspiracy folks here at WGT are making rude noises again!  How about that grassy knoll thing?  These entries are so out of whack as to not be worthy of an intelligent response.

   If the persons making all the fuss would go back and re-read  some of these entries, I am sure they would find them to be unfounded, overly critical, and downright amusing.

  
  

  To be able to consistently shoot low, you need to learn the greens, when you do, you know where to land on the green to have the best chance for birdie, when you learn to do that you will have basically the same putts over and over and over and over, when you have a putt from a area of the green you have had a 100 times before, you know when something is amiss...The mods might say it is fixed, but good players know it isn't...

  This site has different kinds of players, nothing wrong with the ones who try to go low, nothing wrong with the one that just want to have fun, to each his/her own...the only bad ones are the cheats...and the only thing downright amusing in this thread is someone who obviously isn't capable of picking an area on the green to land, telling players who not only can, but shoot 15-20 strokes a round lower than him, that they are "conspiracy theorist, over reacting, over critical, and unworthy of intelligent response" it wreaks of arrogance!
  

  I can not prove this but I think that who your internet carrier is  can be very important as to how well or how badly the game  plays.

   

  Very true, as well as a mouse, the difference is a mouse can work perfectly for years and suddenly go bad, and ISP connection doesn't...

  Shoe posted tonight that they were not making any changes to the grid dot speed nor did they have any plans to, "nuff said for me, if I wanted to play a game of chance I'd buy lottery tickets...
  

   

• Fencer100 2,064 Posts

  Thu, Mar 19 2015 2:54 AM

  As I have said in another post, the biggest gripe believe that is getting to people is the invites not working. So many of us have enjoyed and hope to continue enjoying playing with our friends that we have made, and hope to make new friends too. 

  BUT and this is a massive but at the moment, we are being denied this because WGT seem to be totally at a loss as to how to return this to working order. I know many people who are not playing much here now because of this, and I fear to say I am one of them. I find my enjoyment of this game has been drastically reduced now, I remember when it was so easy to get a game with your friends.

  I'd tolerate all the other little faults and foibles of this game just to have the invites back, and I'm sure many others would too.

  Waiting patiently

   

• oneeyedjohn 9,581 Posts

  Thu, Mar 19 2015 3:02 AM

  How, just how, do u get WGT to respond, I don't know.

  Ask how to equip ur bag or sell clubs and they are on it straight away with a helpful response.

  I am reluctant to get pi$$ed off, but this is truly beyond the pale.

• BuffaloBilly6734 207 Posts

  Thu, Mar 19 2015 3:09 AM

  Was trying the ST Andrews free tourny when i came upon this shot,  didnt record it at the time so i tried it again and tried to replicate it the best i could

  Not sure if im being picky but if you check this out on the front view the dots are going towards the player and on the back view the dots are going away from the player. its only very slightly but it was noticeable and i was unsure where to aim

   

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccpl6e2lLOI&feature=youtu.be

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Thu, Mar 19 2015 7:56 AM

  BuffaloBilly6734:

  Not sure if im being picky but if you check this out on the front view the dots are going towards the player and on the back view the dots are going away from the player. its only very slightly but it was noticeable and i was unsure where to aim

  A common misconception about what the dots mean.

  Your putt is uphill. As you look at the front view, the grids boxes are laid out such that your ball is to the left of the hole. This means that the 'uphillness' of your putt will be reflected in the dots by them rolling from the hole towards your ball. This gives them the right to left look.

  As you look at the back view, the ball is again left of the hole, but only a little. Again this means that the uphill nature of your putt will be slightly reflected in the dots by them moving towards your ball, right to left.

  You only ever get a true view of the pure sideslope of a putt when the dots run perfectly perpendicularly to the line of your putt. In this case the one from behind the hole is closest to this, so you will get a better read from it. As such, I would say the putt is just inside the left lip, but it is always hard to tell when there is elevation involved without a nice straight view.

• NotFacebookCraw 49 Posts

  Thu, Mar 19 2015 9:39 AM

  fmagnets:

  BuffaloBilly6734:

  Not sure if im being picky but if you check this out on the front view the dots are going towards the player and on the back view the dots are going away from the player. its only very slightly but it was noticeable and i was unsure where to aim

  A common misconception about what the dots mean.

  Your putt is uphill. As you look at the front view, the grids boxes are laid out such that your ball is to the left of the hole. This means that the 'uphillness' of your putt will be reflected in the dots by them rolling from the hole towards your ball. This gives them the right to left look.

  As you look at the back view, the ball is again left of the hole, but only a little. Again this means that the uphill nature of your putt will be slightly reflected in the dots by them moving towards your ball, right to left.

  You only ever get a true view of the pure sideslope of a putt when the dots run perfectly perpendicularly to the line of your putt. In this case the one from behind the hole is closest to this, so you will get a better read from it. As such, I would say the putt is just inside the left lip, but it is always hard to tell when there is elevation involved without a nice straight view.

  FMagnets, you are probably the best one to answer this question.  I posted a theory in another thread and got a rude quip about my putting stats instead of an actual answer to the question.  Are the dots not representative of the AVERAGE slope between the lines?  If you look at the green in chip view and move the grid around a little, you can really see the dots change speed and even direction in some cases.  All this occurs within a single grid box width.  For example, if there is a crest of a hill in the middle of the grid box and the lines are at the same elevation on each side, the dots read flat.  Slide the box to the left a touch and the putt reads break left.  Slide it to the right a touch and it reads break right.  Am I wrong? 

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Thu, Mar 19 2015 11:24 AM

  NotFacebookCraw:

  Are the dots not representative of the AVERAGE slope between the lines?  

  I think you are right in this. The best example would be the putt at Cabo no. 11 (the short par 4), where you are just below the hole (to the right of the hole as you look from the tee). The ball collects into a V-shaped valley. There is a huge right to left slope just to the right of your putt, but the actual piece of green you are on and the hole both slope more gently left to right. The dots always read strongly right to left because of the effect of the big slope being mixed into the average to produce the dot speed, but the putt is definitely left to right. It's one of those you have to learn what the dots mean rather than what they are displaying, and be brave to putt against what your eyes are telling you. 

• BuffaloBilly6734 207 Posts

  Thu, Mar 19 2015 12:58 PM

  Thanks Fmagnets for the explanation,

  You were right in your read i aimed straight at the pin and the ball went about 3-4 inches right of the hole :)  (slight mis-dinged it right )

   

• lee22sharon 1,419 Posts

  Thu, Mar 19 2015 10:04 PM

   

  In response to an entry fatdan posted, in which he is responding to my entry.

  (as best a novice can),  this refers only to my inexperience in dealing with the technical aspects of my pc.  Not about playing on WGT.

  "and as of today the dot thing may be fixed."   The operative word is may.

  No mention was made or intended to defame the better players here at WGT.  The conspiracy comment was made to try and distinguish a well thought out comment from a common conspiracy viewpoint.  ANY conspiracy entry is laughable and does not warrant an intelligent response, from me or any other person who thinks before they act.

  Again I state as a constant reader of these forums, that there are many comments made on the forums that were uttered in the heat of the moment, not well thought out, or even badly written.  It is those persons who wrote them that should reconsider what it was they wrote.

  To be sure arrogance can be a part of speaking your thoughts for other unknowns to read, if not, who would read them. Quote " ...and the only thing downright amusing in this thread is someone who obviously isn't capable of picking an area on the green to land,  telling players who not only can, but shoot 15-20 strokes a round lower than him, that they are "conspiracy theorist, over reacting, over critical, and unworthy of intelligent response" it wreaks of arrogance!"  Your statement as quoted is in itself arrogant.

  Why do you assume that because i do not play as well as you do at this game that i do not know where to land for a good clean putt attempt? arrogance again?

  It might be something as simple as not having the very best of equipment or ball, or even my ability to "Hit" the ding as often as you do.  There are many reasons for a player to not be as good as another, and to point this out as a manner of argument, arrogance again?, without considering all the different aspects of play enforce at any given time at WGT does not speak well of the author.

  My Nickle

• fatdan 3,379 Posts

  Fri, Mar 20 2015 12:13 AM

  lee22sharon:

   

  Why do you assume that because i do not play as well as you do at this game that i do not know where to land for a good clean putt attempt? arrogance again?

   

  Welll, that would be your 1 putt % and over par scoring avg,  it's more about the ability to execute, just knowing isn't good enough, and if you do know where to land your stats say you can't execute...

  your comment was about this thread not the conspiracy threads all over these forums so save that BS...you don't care about the grid dots being slow, because you don't expect to make the putt anyway...then as usual make some smug comment worded so you have plenty of room to crawfish...
  

   

  It might be something as simple as not having the very best of equipment or ball, or even my ability to "Hit" the ding as often as you do. 

  
  

  Your equipment is more than good enough so save it, and if I hit the ding,  I missed the shot I was trying to hit 95% of the time....