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• hpurey 11,505 Posts

  Fri, Sep 11 2015 12:19 PM

  hpurey:

  Stryder1261:

  HP I was short of green and slightly right of pin and it was Fairway and not fringe but pretty close to it which is why I pitched in the first place, fringe I would have chipped 1st.

   

  Ok,  I will try to get there again and see if I can get to that spot for a better understanding, maybe even learn something new myself.  ;-)

  Think I got close to the spot you described.  Closest I could get to your numbers was 15"yards" and 4 inches down.  My pitch shot acted normal, and the chip shot sht the bed as expected from that distance.  Guess without having the same wedges as you have will make it next to impossible to replicate it.  

• ct690911 7,205 Posts

  Fri, Sep 11 2015 12:27 PM

  hpurey....if the programmers spent even half as much detective work as you did, a majority of the major glitches would have been fixed a long time ago....:)

  ct

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Sep 11 2015 12:48 PM

  hpurey:

  Ok,  I will try to get there again and see if I can get to that spot for a better understanding, maybe even learn something new myself.  ;-)

  I did. Hole high to the right of the pin where you're sitting just short of the fringe on top of the small hill.

  The only way I could get a pitch to go only 3 yards was by hitting a 64W 17 yd pitch at 5%. 5%!!  A full back spin pitch, choked to the middle of the blue ruler, consistently yielded a gimme under 2 feet if it didn't go in. We'll leave that one alone, I guess.

  The chip from there was a ridiculous effort because it's not a very good shot to use. The green dips and rolls right so unless you play way left and read the roll as it goes down and starts to roll right, you're rolling off the green to the right. Chips don't carry and act like putts for the last half of the roll and a chip from there lands on the side of a green slope. The chips I tried all rolled 4-7 feet away from the pin.

  

• budfan4861 183 Posts

  Fri, Sep 11 2015 12:54 PM

  If you don't buy in to what VEM and deviation attempts to do to make this as realistic as possible then we'll always be going round and round on the subject of realism. I buy into it and accept it for what it is and does instead of trying to explain it. Makes for a more real experience very similar to RL.....YankeeJim 

   

          Well said.
  

   

• hpurey 11,505 Posts

  Fri, Sep 11 2015 4:27 PM

  ct690911:

  hpurey....if the programmers spent even half as much detective work as you did, a majority of the major glitches would have been fixed a long time ago....:)

  ct

  They have lots other things to find,  like which 0 to make a 1 so we can have some yellow Nike balls.  ;-)

   

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Fri, Sep 11 2015 5:35 PM

  YankeeJim:

  andyson:

  Wondering how a purist feels about the unrealistic forgiveness on the top drivers and top irons.

  You, of all people, should appreciate how the forgiveness translates to RL golf-deviation brings it into reality here. 

  My point was the top end clubs are toooo forgiving Jim, nothing realistic about 'em.

   

• ct690911 7,205 Posts

  Fri, Sep 11 2015 6:04 PM

  budfan4861:

  If you don't buy in to what VEM and deviation attempts to do to make this as realistic as possible then we'll always be going round and round on the subject of realism. I buy into it and accept it for what it is and does instead of trying to explain it. Makes for a more real experience very similar to RL.....YankeeJim 

   

          Well said.

   

  I got no problem with them trying to make game realistic...I don't worry about inconsistent winds or lying dots, etc...but what real game has continual disconnects and white screens and routinely crashes out people? Its to the point where if a person can even a finish a game its a rarity...those are the things that upset most people from what I can gather.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Sep 12 2015 6:47 AM

  andyson:

  My point was the top end clubs are toooo forgiving Jim, nothing realistic about 'em.

  Look at it this way. If you've played enough to get to the levels required to get that equipment, it would be safe to assume if you had that same experience in RL you would be good enough to swing them and get the same results the RL pros do. Perhaps that is also why they are kept out of the hands of the lower levels.

  IMO, if you scrap any and all meter speed modifications and had everyone play with the same speed as starter clubs you would see reality.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sat, Sep 12 2015 4:37 PM

  YankeeJim:

  andyson:

  My point was the top end clubs are toooo forgiving Jim, nothing realistic about 'em.

  Look at it this way. If you've played enough to get to the levels required to get that equipment, it would be safe to assume if you had that same experience in RL you would be good enough to swing them and get the same results the RL pros do.

  With the top level clubs our results exceed the results of RL pros. From PGA stats:

  Pros hit 50 to 75% of fairways

  Pros GIR is 60 to 75%

  Pros Avg Dist to Pin is 31 to 40 feet

  YankeeJim:

  Perhaps that is also why they are kept out of the hands of the lower levels.

  We know the reason there is $$.  You need to buy several sets along the way to stay competitive.

  YankeeJim:

  IMO, if you scrap any and all meter speed modifications and had everyone play with the same speed as starter clubs you would see reality.

  You picked the wrong set.  Starter Driver and Irons meter speeds are slower than what we use now. 

  But even if you had picked the fastest speeds I think players would adapt and still go low.

  We hit these top level clubs better than any Pro could dream of hitting them.  The clubs are too good.  Its not reality.  Its a game though not real golf and I can play it like a game and you can play it like its real golf.  Whatever works for each individual.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Sep 12 2015 4:49 PM

  More round and round.  I disagree.