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• alosso 21,088 Posts

  Tue, Apr 5 2016 10:58 PM

  mkrizan86:

  alosso:

  it only has 2 [...]

  Not my words.

  mkrizan86:

  TBH, "the correct power" has a couple of components on its own, like adding more power for clicks farther from the ding, *snips*

  Thanks for supporting my point *chuckles*

  mkrizan86:

  alosso:

  longer putts break much more than short ones. If not, the program would disrespect physical facts.

  They have to be clicked on the same spot on the meter for the same dot speed, regardless of the distance.

  Agree to disagree.

• Yiannis1970 3,334 Posts

  Wed, Apr 6 2016 1:28 AM

  alosso:

  Shot distance varies with the off margin of the shots, and longer putts break much more than short ones. If not, the program would disrespect physical facts.

  My two Pfennig.

   

  Agreed on that, but the program still disrespects the physical facts. The whole approach on putting is just simply wrong! Let's say you have a 12ft putt with double break. The break speed is exactly the same. In order to make that putt you have to aim taking in consideration more the first grids instead of the last ones. That is simply wrong! Ball tends to break more when has no weight and speed and not otherwise.

   

• alosso 21,088 Posts

  Wed, Apr 6 2016 3:44 AM

  AFAIS, it does break more when slow. IMHO, the influence of the first part is more significant because any direction change will be the set-up for the rest, so a small deviation in angle on the first stretch will result in more significant misses afterwards, even if the green is flat.

  Overall, putting looks and feels quite realistic to me (and the mechanic calcs aren't as complicated as ball flight). As a kind of proof let me tell you that my real putting on the golf courses has well improved since I started to play here.

  Thank you WGT!

• Yiannis1970 3,334 Posts

  Wed, Apr 6 2016 4:23 AM

  alosso:

  AFAIS, it does break more when slow. IMHO, the influence of the first part is more significant because any direction change will be the set-up for the rest, so a small deviation in angle on the first stretch will result in more significant misses afterwards, even if the green is flat.

   

  As you can understand, there is a contradiction between the bolds. Either break is more important when the ball is ''dying'', either when it maintains its full speed. I don't question the fact that every grid and break change is important to determine the right line, i only say that's wrong the whole concept of putting for the reasons i explained in my previous post.

  I can make one or two examples of what iam talking about to make you understand better. Pebble beach;

  par 5

   

  place your ball above the flag at about 10-15 ft. You 'll se a dh putt double break. The last 3 grids break to the right and the first three to the left. As the ball approaches the hole, has no weight and speed anymore, nevertheless keeps going straight like there was no break at all.

   

  Try the same thing on the first hole of PB. Severe dh putt. You 'll see that in half way the ball starts to go straight not ''feeling'' anymore the break.

   

• alosso 21,088 Posts

  Wed, Apr 6 2016 5:07 AM

  Yiannis1970:

  As you can understand, there is a contradiction between the bolds. Either break is more important when the ball is ''dying'', either when it maintains its full speed.

  But, I'd compare slow to fast and not to "first part of the putt".

  I also think that there's not too much disagreement in facts between us, perhaps more in wording. Therefore, in all due respect, I won't continue.

  Have fun!!

• tanneralis 419 Posts

  Wed, Apr 6 2016 5:42 AM

  alosso:

  AFAIS, it does break more when slow. IMHO, the influence of the first part is more significant because any direction change will be the set-up for the rest, so a small deviation in angle on the first stretch will result in more significant misses afterwards, even if the green is flat.

  Overall, putting looks and feels quite realistic to me (and the mechanic calcs aren't as complicated as ball flight). As a kind of proof let me tell you that my real putting on the golf courses has well improved since I started to play here.

  Thank you WGT!

  The only part of putting that is not realistic is where the 1st one or 2 dots make the ball break considerably where they should have no effect whatsoever, firstly when the ball leaves the putter it is slightly airborne as a putter does have some loft, secondly the speed at which the ball is moving just after it leaves the putter is far too great for any break to move the ball off the desired starting line. There is no realism in this part of putting at all........this isn't my opinion either....it is factual.

  Enjoy :)

• 1,866 Posts

  Wed, Apr 6 2016 8:31 AM

  Yiannis1970:

  Try the same thing on the first hole of PB. Severe dh putt. You 'll see that in half way the ball starts to go straight not ''feeling'' anymore the break.

  That's because it is straight. Mags explained the elevation component a while back, here's the link:

   

• Yiannis1970 3,334 Posts

  Wed, Apr 6 2016 8:34 AM

  alosso:

  Yiannis1970:

  As you can understand, there is a contradiction between the bolds. Either break is more important when the ball is ''dying'', either when it maintains its full speed.

  But, I'd compare slow to fast and not to "first part of the putt".

  I also think that there's not too much disagreement in facts between us, perhaps more in wording. Therefore, in all due respect, I won't continue.

  Have fun!!

   

  Ok, maybe i misunderstood your post.

  Have fun too!

   

• Yiannis1970 3,334 Posts

  Wed, Apr 6 2016 8:37 AM

  tanneralis:

  The only part of putting that is not realistic is where the 1st one or 2 dots make the ball break considerably where they should have no effect whatsoever, firstly when the ball leaves the putter it is slightly airborne as a putter does have some loft, secondly the speed at which the ball is moving just after it leaves the putter is far too great for any break to move the ball off the desired starting line. There is no realism in this part of putting at all........this isn't my opinion either....it is factual.

  Enjoy :)

   

  Exactly!! That is what i was talking about!

   

• 1,866 Posts

  Wed, Apr 6 2016 8:42 AM

  alosso:

  Agree to disagree.

  Apologies for not checking the quote, they were my words, meant to compare statements.

  As far as disagreeing goes, no issues with that, but not sure if you realise (with the utmost respect), you're disagreeing on something you don't do (maybe my assumption is wrong, but you are a ding putter, correct?), with someone who's been doing it this way from his 2nd week on WGT ? ;-)

  My putting is not that terrible and from what I've experienced first hand in all my time here, says that shorter putts only break more, cause people overhit them. Why do they do that? It's common to overhit a 5 footer by 20-30% to ram it in, the ball will drop with ease. Try overhitting a 25 footer by that same %, lol. Longer putts are mostly played dead weight + a smidge more power and that's it.

  So, same spot on the meter for the same dot speed is what I've experienced to be correct in my time here, regardless of the fact it's defying laws of physics. It just is ;-)