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payout for tournaments?

• MTBR 182 Posts

  Fri, Nov 6 2015 6:44 PM

  " I think it would be fairly easy to program the software to search and compare the scorecards to follow the Tie Breaker sequence.  I personally don't see why WGT would play games with the score keeping.  It would bring into question the results in all tournaments, RGs, and Brackets as well as the complete Virtual Tour results.  There is no benefit to them to do that."

   

  There's no benefit to having all the glitches and meter issues either. Maybe some players think WGT does it on purpose to make them lose a ball. IDK...... If they can't make a payout read correctly then why do you think they would be able to make the software pick the correct winner in a tie.....yes all these tourneys are in question when you can't see someone's scorecard....the score is correct but the way the software determines the winner in a tie is NOT....this software is so fked in so many ways with technical problems...and not that it benefits them, they don't give a chit who wins in these tourneys..and couldn't care less about fixing the technical issues.....but i love playing here... you talk about how easy it would be to program this software to do something?  Would you tell WGT that please?....like the former Adobe flash expert advised them how to fix the memory leak issue...and on, and on, and on....the bigger tourneys can be determined manually in a tie situation..that is easy....not to mention the unfairness of the clashes... "You could always ask a Mod to explain why they choose this system instead of splitting winnings evenly between the top scores."   please, give me a break!  they have no clue as to what this software does.....Maybe i should clean my cache!  Besides that, I did ask and got an answer:

  "It definitely looks like it has a standard tie rule so no reason why you should not get the same prize. " Thank you for playing World Golf Tour.

  
  Regards,
  WGT Member Services

• phred952 2,714 Posts

  Fri, Nov 6 2015 11:19 PM

  I know from the forum that many people feel WGT does thing to make their experience worse.  Like you, IDK first hand.  The problem with the amount for the payout being wrong sounds more like a data entry mistake to me.  They happen a lot when the new weekly and monthly tournaments are posted.  For example, look at the November CTTH that shows Wolf Creek as the course.  When you open it, the tournament is actually on Kiawah.  Not the first time thats happened.  So wrong amounts being entered could happen also, I would think.

  Like most of us, I too get tired of the swing meter problems and the disconnects, etc.  The word that strikes the most fear in me on this site is "Update."  But I hang in and still try to play because I enjoy it also.  

  What makes you think everyone at WGT Member Services has read and is familiar with all the FAQs?  The very answer they gave you is the complete opposite of the posted explanation of tiebreakers in the FAQs.  Sounds like someone who is uninformed or mis-understood your problem.

  My personal dealings with them have been resolved OK, but it took a little time.  I read where many members have had LOTS of trouble with member services.  Remember the Cally lvl  33 chrome soft balls when they first came out?  Obviously there are many people working there, and some must be more knowledgeable than others.

  I don't want to have this become a confrontation between us.  I simply responded with what I read in the FAQ's, along with my own first hand experience.  And I haven't been condescending to you about what happened.  Nor would I ever suggest you clean your cache.

  I agree it would be nice if scorecards were displayed.  Then you would know for sure what happened.  I would guess they aren't because of the space it would take up on the leader board.   

  All I can say is I hope they will eventually resolve things in a satisfactory way for you.  Good luck on your quest, as I think you need that.  You're doing the equivalent of fighting City Hall.  And good luck in your rounds on the courses.  All my best to you.

  phred952

   

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Sat, Nov 7 2015 2:12 AM

  MTBR:

  If they can't make a payout read correctly then why do you think they would be able to make the software pick the correct winner in a tie.....yes all these tourneys are in question when you can't see someone's scorecard....the score is correct but the way the software determines the winner in a tie is NOT.

  There is no way I can prove it to you but this is just paranoia, this has  (as far as I know) always been the rule through many (hundreds of thousands?) tournaments on here and can you find one result that has been proved to be wrong.  There will be some that have found ways of checking, it's not impossible to remember a round that was probably mostly birdies. 

  As to the clash wgt chose that system to make money from passes, it's an awful competition but works as designed.

  MTBR:

  "It definitely looks like it has a standard tie rule so no reason why you should not get the same prize. " Thank you for playing World Golf Tour.

  They were wrong, just be glad they gave you some extra credits.

• MTBR 182 Posts

  Sat, Nov 7 2015 8:13 AM

  "I know from the forum that many people feel WGT does thing to make their experience worse.  Like you, IDK first hand."

  I don't feel WGT does thing to make my experience worse, the software does. ...2 different things.  I also think the whole office is less than 30 people ( who should know what is going on concerning the way the software works, but seem to have trouble in that area.)

  "As to the clash wgt chose that system to make money from passes, it's an awful competition but works as designed."

  It does not.....One CC with just a few members(<50) is not supposed to be "clashed" with a club that has maximum(250) members

  Read what former employees have to say :    Employee Review World Golf Tour RVW2917071.htm

• phred952 2,714 Posts

  Sat, Nov 7 2015 9:05 AM

  To me, since WGT designed and owns the software, it's one and the same.  Bottom line, they make the game worse by not addressing the problems.  Weather by design or incompetentance, the software engineers seem unable to fix the biggest problems in the game.  

  The Clash system is unfair.  I rarely buy passes, playing occasionally with the free ones because of the inequity of playing larger CC's.

  Reading the employee reviews, it confirms that the company has problems, as we all know.  it is no surprise that out of 30 office employees (approximately) some are incompetent.  Nature of the world anymore, when most employers have people who don't know what they are doing. Or don't care.  Customer Service is becoming the latest oxymoron in modern life.  Just talk to A T & T as 1 example I dealt with lately.

  Bottom line, you can keep "Tilting at that Windmill", or accept things as they are, as something you can't change.  Your choice.

  Good Luck,

  phred952

• MTBR 182 Posts

  Sat, Nov 7 2015 7:46 PM

  As always, I do value anyone's input on such matters .   I will continue to play golf as usual and love my smooth meter and occasional good scores.....I like to know how things work.

   We don't accept it, we just put up with it until we get bored with golf or membership dwindles down to nothing or WGT goes under from mismanagement. ( this site boasts 2,000,000 registered users. In reality it's probably under 10,000 active players.) I think the tiebreaker rule for !st place is there for a reason but, I'm not sure what that reason is. (and if the program is correctly doing what it's supposed to) Only a very BIG tournament would need that rule, one that they couldn't split the top prize between several players. ( a trip possibly). I bet the pros would LOVE that rule !   

   

  MTBR

• Jhorn188 40 Posts

  Sun, Nov 8 2015 7:28 AM

  MTBR:

  Support (WGT)

  Nov 5, 6:12 PM

   

  Hello Michael,    ....That's me   MTBR

  Thank you for reporting this. It definitely looks like it has a standard tie rule so no reason why you should not get the same prize. I went ahead and added 144 credits to make your payouts the same.

  Please let us know if you have further issues.

  Thank you for playing World Golf Tour.
  
  Regards,
  WGT Member Services

  Well now I don't understand at all. If the standard tie rule applies, how can 2 winners both get the top price? Seems to me like you got 144 more than you should have now.

• phred952 2,714 Posts

  Sun, Nov 8 2015 7:55 AM

  I also wish there were a better way to break ties for first.  The WGT model is the equivalent of saying runs scored in the 9th inning of a baseball game count more than runs scored in the first inning!!  

  However since we don't all play the tournaments at the same time, the only thing I can think of would be to notify all players tied for first place that they have to play in a playoff round (or rounds).  Not playing heads up prevents sudden death.  I guess WGT designed the rule to keep things simple.

  phred952

   

• Jhorn188 40 Posts

  Sun, Nov 8 2015 8:35 AM

  phred952:

  I also wish there were a better way to break ties for first.  The WGT model is the equivalent of saying runs scored in the 9th inning of a baseball game count more than runs scored in the first inning!!  

  However since we don't all play the tournaments at the same time, the only thing I can think of would be to notify all players tied for first place that they have to play in a playoff round (or rounds).  Not playing heads up prevents sudden death.  I guess WGT designed the rule to keep things simple.

  phred952

  I think the tiebreaker model is fine to keep it simple. 

  A similar rule is used in most low level club tournaments in real golf, at least here in Sweden. The best score on final 9 holes (in single round tournaments) or final 18 (in multi round tournaments) decides the winner. 

• MTBR 182 Posts

  Sun, Nov 8 2015 9:18 AM

  The tie breaker rule is fine as long as the software is calculating it correctly as the rules state. We have no way of comparing scorecards to see if it is. What i have noticed is it takes the latest entry that ties and puts it on top as the winner. I may be wrong but that is what I'm seeing in my CC, and it is the same calculations for every other tournament. I used to laugh at being able to wait until other scores were posted and then be able to tie the leader at a later date and it put me on top as the sole winner. Something is wrong with that.