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• JoeMaverick 843 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 5:05 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  All i did wasI looked at your score history of past week and you played mostly uneven lies, THIS is why i stated in my opinion that there was just as much uneven lies as even lies (which was my initial argument), becasue as the creator of the tournaments you obviously (going by past 7 days which i saw) play more of UL than EL ready go.

  You don't understand. I don't decide of the RG's list but ONLY THE UEL ONE!!!

  WGT wants 6 UEL RG's (no more, no less) so I send a list of 6 UEL RG's every 3 weeks. That's all. Don't ask me why 6, it's like that since before I start to play RG's, even maybe I start to play WGT, I don't know. Corwyn was the guy who sent the list to WGT before me, he was too busy to continue and he asked me to replace him.

  I don't play a lot of EL tournaments because I don't have an infinite time to play to WGT so i have to choice the ones I want to play. And I prefer playing UEL so I play EL tournaments when I have the time for.

  I don't know why there's so few of EL RG's, it's WGT will and there's no link with the UEL RG's.

  chrisironsbones:

  Easy example if iwas creating ready go's if i was allowed to post 20, i would create 13 EL ready go's to 7 UL.

  The current ratio is 10 for 6 so the problem doesn't come from the number of UEL RG's but the number of EL RG's. Everybody agrees with that/

  Joe

• LuckySkreet 611 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 7:17 AM

  Joe.....

  WGT must have changed their minds on that  "WGT wants 6 UEL RG's (no more, no less)" thing.....   

  101993Congressional F9 Ready Go50CAll50/50 

  101982Oakmont 18 Hole Ready Go50CAll50/50 

  101999Merion B9 Ready Go50CAll43/50 

  102005St Andrews 18 Hole Ready Go50CAll42/50 

  101996Royal St. George B9 Hole Ready Go100CAll44/50 

  101843Uneven Lies Merion CC Front 9 Ready Go100CAll33/50 

  101548Uneven Lies Best Of Par 4 Full 18 Ready Go 200CAll30/50 

  101927Pebble Beach 18 Hole Ready Go1500CAll27/50 

  101757Uneven Lies Oakmont CC Full 18 Ready Go 100CAll23/50 

  101839Unenen Lies St Andrews Full 18 Ready Go200CAll18/50 

  101844Uneven Lies Congressional Full 18 Ready Go50CAll17/50 

  101978Pinehurst No. 2 18 Hole Ready Go400CAll16/50 

  97172Uneven Lies Oakmont Full 18 Ready Go 5000CAll11/50 

  101989Best of Par 4 18 Hole Ready Go100CAll11/50 

  101841Uneven Lies Chambers Bay Full 18 Ready Go100CAll10/50 

  102000Best of Par 5 18 Hole Ready Go600CAll8/50 

  101842Uneven Lies Kiawah Island Full 18 Ready Go500CAll8/50 

  102006Chambers Bay F9 Ready Go100CAll5/50 

  102010Uneven Lies Best Of Hardest Holes Back 9 Ready Go50CAll0/50 

   

  Current list show's 9 UEL's......      discounting that 5000 UEL Oakmont, that's  8 UEL's....

  Chrisironsbones.........  is this what you are talking about?

  C'mon ...Icon and Shoe....send it up to programming, eliminate the hassle and headache. 10 each UEL's & EL's, random generation, 10-14 day turnover......   can't be that difficult to do.........

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 9:01 AM

  LuckySkreet:

  Chrisironsbones.........  is this what you are talking about?

  Yes, as you can see there's just as much UNEVEN LIES as Even Lies.  more 50c ready go's than anything else (especially 18 holes, but is this on purpose because this would generate a loss for us compared to the price of balls??)

  All you need to do (like i have several times) is study the previous week, Its is blatantly obvious that the uneven lies only turn over once or twice A WEEK!!  The normal EL ready go's turn over nearly once or twice A DAY.  why should the majority have to have a poor selection to cater the minority, thats all we're asking.  If its possible to keep the UL ready go's that's GREAT, but if WGT only limit the amount given to us then Get rid of 2 UL.  The 8 left would fill quicker too probably

• JoeMaverick 843 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 9:19 AM

  LuckySkreet:

  WGT must have changed their minds on that  "WGT wants 6 UEL RG's (no more, no less)" thing.....  

  For the very last time, an UEL batch is composed by 6 tournaments that I send every 3 weeks to Shoe (WGT staff). No more, no less. There are currently 8 UEL RG's because 2 of them, BOP4 and Oakmont (the real one, not the 5000cr) belong to the previous batch and are not filled yet. They will definitively disappear when 50 players will have signed up.

  Usually this situation (more than 6) doesn't appear because I send the list one week too late. This time I've sent the list on time and the new list was available on the same days that the last day of the previous batch (8/6). Is it so difficult to understand?

  LuckySkreet:

  C'mon ...Icon and Shoe....send it up to programming, eliminate the hassle and headache. 10 each UEL's & EL's, random generation, 10-14 day turnover......   can't be that difficult to do.........

  It's definitively not an automatic process, something asked by a lot of WGT players since a very long time now. It seems WGT doesn't have the IT ressources to do it so I suppose a human (shoe?) has to set up every RG's one by one every 2-3 weeks. The good news for him is that he doesn't need to think about the UEL RG's because I do it for him, so he just has to set up the 6 RG's (I need myself 20-30 minutes to think about them to send a list with variety compared to what I've sent previously).

  For the EL list he has to "imagine" the list and set it up. I can easely imagine how boring it is and I suppose it's the reason of the short list (don't forget we are only talking about the all tiers list, there are currently a total of 41 RG's available).

  Joe

• LuckySkreet 611 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 10:21 AM

  JoeMaverick:

  LuckySkreet:

  WGT must have changed their minds on that  "WGT wants 6 UEL RG's (no more, no less)" thing.....  

  For the very last time, an UEL batch is composed by 6 tournaments that I send every 3 weeks to Shoe (WGT staff). No more, no less. There are currently 8 UEL RG's because 2 of them, BOP4 and Oakmont (the real one, not the 5000cr) belong to the previous batch and are not filled yet. They will definitively disappear when 50 players will have signed up.

  Usually this situation (more than 6) doesn't appear because I send the list one week too late. This time I've sent the list on time and the new list was available on the same days that the last day of the previous batch (8/6). Is it so difficult to understand?

  LuckySkreet:

  C'mon ...Icon and Shoe....send it up to programming, eliminate the hassle and headache. 10 each UEL's & EL's, random generation, 10-14 day turnover......   can't be that difficult to do.........

  It's definitively not an automatic process, something asked by a lot of WGT players since a very long time now. It seems WGT doesn't have the IT ressources to do it so I suppose a human (shoe?) has to set up every RG's one by one every 2-3 weeks. The good news for him is that he doesn't need to think about the UEL RG's because I do it for him, so he just has to set up the 6 RG's (I need myself 20-30 minutes to think about them to send a list with variety compared to what I've sent previously).

  For the EL list he has to "imagine" the list and set it up. I can easely imagine how boring it is and I suppose it's the reason of the short list (don't forget we are only talking about the all tiers list, there are currently a total of 41 RG's available).

  Joe

  I'm NOT being critical of you, Joe.....  on the contrary, I even defended your process a few post's back and advocated for for a 10/10  even number of UEL's and EL's.  The last post clearly show's 9 UEL's (these were c&p from the active list)...  I was just asking whether the  6 UEL statement  had changed.....  no more or no less.  I've been around long enough to know and understand the process....  I understand active tournaments (yet to be filled) will  purge when spots are filled and I understand there are additional "tier" specific tournaments.... 

  Regarding your other comment....    "Is it so difficult to understand?"; Quite frankly ....YES it is...    It is difficult to understand why WGT can not and / or will not automate the system and selections. I wouldn't think it would be that difficult to have 20 parameter blocks (10 UEL's and 10 EL's), each with a fixed credit amount and a fixed 9/18 amount------- thus allowing the course, wind, and green speeds random choice by the system (the same as the random generation used in the multi player games).   

  But then again....  if resources are better spent on "kitty balls" and "ridiculous tee markers"... and your time better spent defending UEL process and choices, and Mod time better spent  on EL's and specific tier RG's....  then so be it....

• JoeMaverick 843 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 10:52 AM

  LuckySkreet:

  Regarding your other comment....    "Is it so difficult to understand?"

  I've said that because I've explained several times why there are currently more than 6 UEL RG's. That becomes boring.

  LuckySkreet:

  It is difficult to understand why WGT can not and / or will not automate the system and selections.

  It's difficult to understand for me too! I've proposed exactly what you said some months ago: a WGT staff member set up 4 things:

  - the credits structure (how many 50cr, 100cr,...)

  - for each RG, if it's 9 or 18 holes

  - for each RG, if it's EL/UEL

  - the duration.

  The course, the wind and the green speeds are not random but a simple rotation (you put every courses in an array and you advance in the array every 2 weeks for example). That's all and everybody would be happy.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 12:24 PM

  JoeMaverick:

  a WGT staff member set up 4 things:

  - the credits structure (how many 50cr, 100cr,...)

  - for each RG, if it's 9 or 18 holes

  - for each RG, if it's EL/UEL

  - the duration.

  Are you sayuing then Joe  It's WGT which have given us 4 x 50c Even Lies ready go's??  Were you not able to change 2 x 50c 18 hole ready go to maybe 2 x $2 ready go's??

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 1:58 PM

  chrisironsbones:

  Are you sayuing then Joe  It's WGT which have given us 4 x 50c Even Lies ready go's??  

  I think he's said several times, including on this page, that he only has imput on the UEL rg's.

  As an advocate of more of what fills quickest are you suggesting four  50c rg's aren't enough?  They are the fastest filling tournaments on the list.

• Vaibhav5viv 886 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 2:29 PM

  chrisironsbones:

  Are you sayuing then Joe  It's WGT which have given us 4 x 50c Even Lies ready go's??  Were you not able to change 2 x 50c 18 hole ready go to maybe 2 x $2 ready go's??

  Joe only does UEL lies. 

  50c -18

  50c -9

  100c-18

  100c-9

  200c-18

  500c-18

• Vaibhav5viv 886 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2016 2:30 PM

  chrisironsbones:

  Are you sayuing then Joe  It's WGT which have given us 4 x 50c Even Lies ready go's??  Were you not able to change 2 x 50c 18 hole ready go to maybe 2 x $2 ready go's??

  Joe only does UEL lies. 

  50c -18

  50c -9

  100c-18

  100c-9

  200c-18

  500c-18