Thanks SweetiePie, Sorry I was referring to the 3rd hole on Kiawah CTTH. Currently I move the arrow to the left at 158 set up for about 175 yds ( for the lie) I aced the hole this way (I do have it saved) and have come in at 1 to 4ft.... but it is so inconsistent. But the old story, in the rare event that I do have a good shot on #3 I screw up somewhere else....lol. Regarless, because of this hole, the best I have come in for the round is 67ft. How these guys are getting 32,35 etc is beyond me. Again I appreciate the responses/suggestions so far. Still Chillin in Ohio.