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2018 world cup

• bubbsboy 6,879 Posts

  Sun, Jan 14 2018 2:19 PM

  birchi:

  YankeeJim:

  I don't get this logic at all. What started out as a fun tourney morphed into something that is now hard as hell to win. This isn't a lame clash, which fits your logic.

  Your problem might not be logic, but reading comprehension. What Gordon is arguing - and I wholeheartedly agree with him - is that it's tough to get WGT's best players to play 2 long matchplay games a month they are going to win anyway. So extending the player limit to 14 would give us among others the opportunity to offer those who don't want to play all games more breaks. 

  It's fine of course if you say that this is primarily a fun tourney. I can tell you though that after having to organize our team for this year's event and having talked to Gordon about their situation, the change to 14 players is necessary if you want the best clubs to participate. 

  Feel it was that what set the ball rolling.

  Football analogy can be used in various ways, such as lower teams in the football world and their fans drawing one of the big boys and looking forward to seeing them perform whilst giving it their best shot......only to be facing the fringe players.

  Jure did want bigger squads, but with more playing, so that would not have helped.

  Personally squads of 20 with almost all playing would be for me, but i understood some clubs cant get 20 members to sign up........so i was told to shut up ;-)

  I did, its Finnys comp and thats fine for me. He ran it before he joined our club and he will still run it if he left.

  Lets just get on with it now please as he`s working hard.

• 1,866 Posts

  Sun, Jan 14 2018 3:04 PM

  DodgyPutter:

  I'm a bit confused by this Jure you lobbied for 16 per squad, (I guess you're talking within your CC, or I missed it in the open forum) yet you predict discontent and revolt in squads of 14.

  I offered it as a suggestion to Finny in our CC forum, Alan. And you must've missed part where I said 12 group matches (instead of 8) and 13 in the eliminations ;-) Which means people would sit out even less matches ;-)

  DodgyPutter:

  Just imagine for a moment your post was directed at a particular CC, I'm sure that's not the case, do you not think there's a variety of people within that CC who all want different things from this.  Admittedly usually for reasons that would help their team and the way they want to play.  Some may even want their CC to win the competition enough to stand aside and let a stronger player play in the tougher matches, if it was me I'd be glad that I wasn't in the position to mess it up (again).  You could be right and there will be mass spitting of dummies but I doubt it.  Anyway I guess all that's what makes being a cpt tough.

  Absolutely not directed to any particular CC and I agree, people are in  this for different reasons and I'm sure some would relish the opportunity to carry the torch for better players during the group stages. But some may not, so why even tempt it.

  I really don't care either way, I'll play whatever Finny says. But, as I said in my PS, this should've never been an issue. I'm still waiting for someone to say their CC has more than 8 players, who can only play once a month and not find 4 eager ones, who play twice.

  Ffs, my day starts at 6:30 am (if I'm lucky) and is filled with working full time and helping taking care of the kid, when I'm home. I can't really start playing before 10 pm with all this and can still find time to squeeze 6-10 rounds on most days. And I'll damn sure find the bloody time to play an hour (and change) long match every 2 weeks.

• kersh1976 2,790 Posts

  Sun, Jan 14 2018 5:10 PM

  mkrizan86:

  Ffs, my day starts at 6:30 am (if I'm lucky) and is filled with working full time and helping taking care of the kid, when I'm home. I can't really start playing before 10 pm with all this and can still find time to squeeze 6-10 rounds on most days. And I'll damn sure find the bloody time to play an hour (and change) long match every 2 weeks.

  My day starts whenever my Dad needs me, could be 2am could be 8pm, it's 24/7. Yes I play a lot most days, but to play on a timer is a very different matter. I can only dream of having an hour where I can play and not have the worry of having to concede a match because I have to deal with other more important issues. Does this mean I shouldn't be allowed to play in the world cup?.

• 1,866 Posts

  Sun, Jan 14 2018 11:52 PM

  C'mon Dave. Surely you know my comment wasn't even remotely adressed to you, nor to anyone with similar circumstances. The only reason, that was ever given for wanting a bigger roster, was completely different. 

  I can only say I admire your dedication to your Dad and the real life stuff and the fact that you're still trying to give your best here. That's something nobody would ever protest. I'm sure you'll be able to get enough rounds off even with a 12 man team. Even if the starts are spread evenly, most will sit out 3 out of 8 games. I wish you the best and hope it gets easier with time. 

• kersh1976 2,790 Posts

  Mon, Jan 15 2018 12:27 AM

  mkrizan86:

  C'mon Dave. Surely you know my comment wasn't even remotely adressed to you, nor to anyone with similar circumstances

   

  I never thought that for one minute, I hate entering these forums of doom, but I just wanted to point out that it's very difficult for some players to play 2 matchplay games per month. 

  The most frustrating thing about this tournament is unplayed matches, there should be no excuse for games not going ahead if every team has ample cover for players dropping out.

  Anyway, that's my yearly visit to the vaults of terror over and done with.

  Take care and all the best. 

   

• PAULFINN52 3,174 Posts

  Mon, Jan 15 2018 9:46 AM

  kersh1976:

  mkrizan86:

  C'mon Dave. Surely you know my comment wasn't even remotely adressed to you, nor to anyone with similar circumstances

   

  I never thought that for one minute, I hate entering these forums of doom, but I just wanted to point out that it's very difficult for some players to play 2 matchplay games per month. 

  The most frustrating thing about this tournament is unplayed matches, there should be no excuse for games not going ahead if every team has ample cover for players dropping out.

  Anyway, that's my yearly visit to the vaults of terror over and done with.

  Take care and all the best. 

   

  hopefull we will have come up with a remedy for non playing before the comp starts dave

   

   

   

• stevereilly 5,910 Posts

  Mon, Jan 15 2018 2:50 PM

  YankeeJim:

  FarFoo:

  Seems to me that the world cup , which was/is a great tourney, can either build on last one or become just a fun tourney for decent teams, but have no claims whatsoever about winners being the best, which will have a knock-on effect with a lot of top players in the future.

  I don't get this logic at all. What started out as a fun tourney morphed into something that is now hard as hell to win. This isn't a lame clash, which fits your logic. (Ask the dominating clash team how far they got last year-they got absolutely smoked.) 

  IMO, the best players already take part in this because it has become something worthy of the effort with no repeat champion so far, getting stronger every year. If anything, smaller squads would require CC's to really buckle down and put their best players up if they wanted a shot at winning. 

  like Jim said, " This isn't a lame clash ".  "The best players already take part in this because something worthy of the effort ".

  The teams signed up so far are some of the best on WGT, with some of the best players.

  Though one thing Finny, your group of administators as to the rules going forward,  as admired of players as they are , I feels there should be more of a representation of the clubs competing. Not wishing to blow my own trumpet here, but I'll happily add an extra voice to the committee. 

   

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Mon, Jan 15 2018 3:28 PM

  mkrizan86:

  you must've missed part where I said 12 group matches (instead of 8) and 13 in the eliminations ;-)

  I read it but suspect some brain fart over matches/ties/games so I instantly forgot it, I think I get it, and Bubbs 20 with most playing, now. 

  Sorry Finny you've been great under the pressure of the arguments about squad sizes etc and I'm glad you kept it at 8 matches a game, or vice-versa :-)

• BirdieLady9 2,458 Posts

  Mon, Jan 15 2018 8:59 PM

  Can't help but grow weary of this thread repeating the same old objections to Paul's original proposal.....for him to ask for suggestions for the format of his tournament is admirable....however it seems to me that the original concept is very adequate....and he has maintained his stance on 12 players....we all signed up for this with the understanding that it is his idea....his tournament.....let's stop all the redundant bickering of whether it should be 12 or 14 or 16.....omg even 20......this is all falling on Finny's shoulders to arrange a format that we all signed up for in the first place !!   

  Not to be disrespectful here.....but please ....if your CC does not agree to the guidelines Paul has set up....he has no obligation to cater to the whims of each CC that does not want to conform to the rules set forth ....is a very fair set up.....having 4 alternates to cover any unforeseen personal matter or holiday should be more than enough . 

  Paul's hard work and conviction to this endeavor is time consuming and done with class.... may be harsh to some.....but if your CC is not willing to compete by Paul's simple rules....why sign up ? Just an observation from a newcomer ....am concerned !!

  Patti 

• PAULFINN52 3,174 Posts

  Mon, Jan 15 2018 11:02 PM

  Soz I did consider a couple more on the panel but felt 5 was plenty,too be honest there's not. That much to talk about ,the comp mainly runs itself and its quite simple really ,friend someone and play a match within two weeks and have some fun doing it si

  mple

  All the best fellow villain

  Finny