Bethpage is a lot harder than Kiawah because the Par 4 distances are MUCH longer than Kiawah, especially the back nine where if you use the default equipment you're very hard pressed to make par. Sometimes I shoot a 36 on the front nine but shoot 39 or worse on the back nine. However, the only reason Kiawah isn't a very easy course is that its greens are really severe, Much more severe than BB. New stroke play course would make this game MUCH better, even if it comes without the changeing pin locations.