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BUG WITH CADDY

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Jul 11 2011 3:28 AM

  How many times do i have to write this post before WGT do something about it???

  Every time you are given a pitch shot by Caddy and you then change to full swing, caddy still plays your shot like a pitch shot and you come up short every time.

  Please, please WGT change the caddy so it gives you full swing ALWAYS as default (except on greens) and you get to change yourself.

  This happens every time you change from the given pitch shot to full swing, the yardages seem to minus 10 yards, and you get same yardage as the pitch shot rather than how a full swing would be.

  I was 35 yards from pin, caddy gives me 43 yard pitch shot.  I know my 60 & 50 yard wedge inside out.  Normally, halfway down meter is 27 yards for 60 & 23 for 50, a normal full swing shot 3/4 up meter is 35 yards, but when caddy gives you pitch first, it tends to be only 20 yards.  This is what happened when i was 3/4 the way up meter with 60 yard wedge, 26 mph sw wind:

  COMES UP WELL SHORT only travells 18 yards!!
  

  try it for yourself when you are given full swing by caddy first & the difference when you change from being given pitch first to full swing.

  This shot is from 30 yards in 10 mph headwind, after given full swing as standard by caddy, and only a bit over halfway on the meter it goes further than the above shot with less power and INTO headwind!!

  PLEASE>PLEASE WGT give us FULL SWING as standard.

• WGTicon 12,511 Posts

  Mon, Jul 11 2011 9:57 AM

  It works as it should for me. Also, when you choke on a wedge, especially when added bs, 50% of a 50 wedge won't go 25 but likely go 20...

  Anyway, I have tasked current U.S Open champ, mrenn to check on this issue for you.  He said, once he do so, he'll reply here with his observations.

  -wgticon

• piztaker 5,743 Posts

  Mon, Jul 11 2011 10:06 AM

  I agree that it should default to full swing with your shortest hitting wedge though. It'd save time in a 30 second game.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Jul 11 2011 10:09 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  try it for yourself when you are given full swing by caddy first & the difference when you change from being given pitch first to full swing.

  OK Chris, I gave it a try.

  I went to SA #1 and fortunately got a very similar wind, 24 from the SW, as yours.  I hit 3W then wedged to 35 yards and very near to the spot you were above. The Caddy gave me a 90yd wedge, Full shot.  Not Pitch as in your case.  Probably something to do with the difference in our club configuration I'd say.

  I assume you used your Ping 64 degree 60yd wedge for the shot above. Correct?

  And full BS?  Correct?

  My Ping 64 is my favorite club and I feel I know it inside out as you know yours. I know the club goes 40 yards without wind (we're different you say 35yds)   I would never hit this shot at 75%, especially with the big downwind, more like 65% is what I'd use.  Anyway, I hit my shot from 35yds with the Ping 64 @75% Full and full BS.

  IT WENT WAY LONG and traveled 43yds, 8yds past the pin.

  Just for giggles, I putted off the green, and wedged back over the burn to repeat the shot.  This time using the Ping 64 again,  full shot at 65% power, full BS.  From 36 yards, same wind:

  IT CAME UP A LITTLE SHORT(6ft) and traveled 34yds.

  Looking to find a distance where the Caddy would give me a Pitch shot, I teed off again. with a 14mph cross wind this time, and wedged to 25 yards.  Viola!  The Caddy gave me my PW with a Pitch shot!

  I first changed my PW to the Ping 64, then changed the shot from Pitch to Full.  I hit this shot with the Ping 64, Full @58% and full BS:

  IT DID NOT COME UP WAY SHORT and traveled 27 yards.

  Sorry Chris, I was not able to duplicate the problem.

  On another note, are you sure you didn't mis-remember the power you used?  My Ping 64 hit at 50% power goes 24 yards  Yet your second shot traveled 29 yards into an 11 headwind and you stated hit "a bit over halfway on the meter". 

  I took screen shots of your two replays at the top of both backswings. (The animation does a good job of replicating the power used.) And compared them to my backswings at known settings (avatar moves) then combined all 4 pics into one:

  

  The backswing of your first shot Chris looks a lot less than 75%, closer to 60% by the looks of it.  And the backswing of your 2nd shot looks a lot more than "a bit over halfway" and even more than my 60% example.  I realize this has nothing to do with the result seen in the 1st shot. Unless hitting 26mph downwind choked to 60% could cause it?

• mrenn29 380 Posts

  Mon, Jul 11 2011 10:30 AM

  I just tried to plead your case for you chris,but unfortunatley when I switched the ball went just as far as I had planned,keep in mind that spin with the lower wedges has a huge influence on how far the ball will travel.Keep practicin!

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Jul 11 2011 11:49 AM

  Excellent analysis, Andyson, as usual. This makes a good argument for the avatar move method-there's no guessing or estimating. In fact, estimating is its own deviation if the numbers can vary that much. Now transfer that thinking to putting.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:45 PM

  Thanks andyson good reply, but i deffinatelly know my meter was at least 70% because this pitch/shot to full swing thing happens to me maybe 3 out of 5 times, especially after the drive here or on 12, so i give more power than usuall to try and compenstae for what i've been saying, coming up short when you change.  It might not happen all of the time but it does happen.. I was 35 yards from pin, halfway is roughly 24 to 27 yards on the wedge, so i gave 3/4 meter knowing it may come up short, overcompensating you might say.  With the wind the ball should of at least travelled 35 yards, but was 10 yards short.

  This shot was similar but went its proper distance

  This was closer to the mark, but hit with less than original pic)

  But thanks andyson for putting things to perspective, seing as youre analyzing swing perfectly, when it happens again i will post it because some shots end up travelling 14 to 18 yards when over halfway on meter

  And with the "bit over halfway" there's a few extra movements that don't register on the avatar as you increase power, and my bit must be 10% then Lol, and say i was at 72% power my avatar might not increase the extra notch untill 75% But MY AVATAR on first looks well over 60% but a touch under 75% would 70% be good? Enough to go over 26 yards anyway in 26 mph tailwind

  Those 2 swings that are shown they look pretty similar, so how does one travell 29 yards (second shot, on #10) into 10mph headwind, no probs, so the first should clear the burn at 26 yards if there's 26 mph tailwind.  Is  it a case of ball snatching instead LOL.Nice one Andyson, very reliable information from you as always.  This might not be the best wxample, but next time it comes up un naturaly short i'll send you the replays. (on#12 is a good example)  

  Edit:I forgot to mention, when playing a usuall unlimited free game this NEVER happens, it only ever happens when playing a Ready go or challenge match, anything single play, so it could be "deviation" or what it also could be, wind not acting true, as a lot of this also happens. But it might be a simple case of "ball snatching".  (:

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Jul 12 2011 9:20 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  And with the "bit over halfway" there's a few extra movements that don't register on the avatar as you increase power, and my bit must be 10% then Lol, and say i was at 72% power my avatar might not increase the extra notch untill 75% But MY AVATAR on first looks well over 60% but a touch under 75% would 70% be good? Enough to go over 26 yards anyway in 26 mph tailwind

  Its pretty obvious your second shot, "a bit over halfway", was hit harder than the first shot, "at 75%".  Compare the left knee on both. The turn is greater on your 2nd shot.  Lets say your "bit" was 10% for the 2nd shot so the power was 60%.   It follows your 1st shot was less than 60% since the turn on the 1st shot was less than the turn on the 2nd shot.

  Given that, your 26yard carry on the 1st shot makes sense to me. (I downgrade the effect of high winds >10mph on my wedges from .33 to .20 so the push from a 26mph tailwind I'd figure at 5yds and my wedge carries 21 yds at 55% power.)

   

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Tue, Jul 12 2011 11:28 AM

  andyson:

  Given that, your 26yard carry on the 1st shot makes sense to me. (I downgrade the effect of high winds >10mph on my wedges from .33 to .20 so the push from a 26mph tailwind I'd figure at 5yds and my wedge carries 21 yds at 55% power.)

  I work out my wind as extra 5 yards for wedges appart from the 64 degree, maybe i might add 2/3 yards per 10 mph, but even with 20 mph tailwind it wouldn't go as far as higher yardage wedges.

  With wedges from 70 yards to 135 yards i add 5 yards per 10 mph, between 135 and 155 i add 6 yards per 10 mph.  For between 155 and 175 i add 7 yards. for 180+ i add between 8 yards and 10 yards per 10 mph, depending on hole. (rough guide)

  But say with my wedge at 35 yards with 26 mph tailwind i wouldn't expect the carry to be more than 5 yards.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Jul 12 2011 12:02 PM

  Holy Macaroni, Batman. Do you guys really get into it that deep? No wonder I can't get anywhere. Simple math, right club, aim and hit it. Get it close enough to putt, which is where the greats excel-with the flat stick.

  Percentages, decimals, calculators, slide rules-sheesh, I'm back in Mr. Hollenbeck's math class!  LOL.  Whatever works.  ;-)