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  • craigswan
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    Thu, Jan 7 2021 12:09 PM

  • Yiannis1970
    3,306 Posts
    Thu, Jan 7 2021 12:09 PM

    Robert1893:

    I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. Etymology, while important,  does not always capture the full range of meaning. 

     

    That's why, if you noticed Robert, i only examined the issue under etymology and not any political theory which defines, explains or differentiates the two same words. I understand that under political theory Greek Democracy has nothing to do with Rubblica Romana. You know why Robert?

    Meanwhile the 2 words mean exactly the same, as Athena = Minerva, Artemis = Diana, Aphrodite = Venera and hundreds other words that have past from Greeks to Latins and maintained their etymological root, democracy and repubblica changed their meaning  because are political theories and political theories are twisted and reformed and finally defined by the politicians who want to give a certain meaning.

     

    If you were asking Hitler or Stalin, i bet they were considering them selves as democrats as well. Political theories for me is something at least detestful cause they have no roots, no reference, no anchor, but manipulate anything according who defines them and how. 

     

    One thing i forgot to mention: Socrates was not a Democrat under political theory.

     

  • Robert1893
    7,722 Posts
    Thu, Jan 7 2021 1:56 PM

    Good discussion.

    Yes, you're correct about Socrates. With respect to Socrates, I had the wrong passage. My bad. That's the dangers of multitasking and going from memory when quoting Plato. I was quoting one passage but thinking of another.

    By the way, I've never considered politicians to be driven by political theory. I believe they're driven by ideology rather than theory. That's a distinction with a difference. But that's a discussion for another time. 

  • Yiannis1970
    3,306 Posts
    Thu, Jan 7 2021 2:30 PM

    The passage you have quoted is a spot on about Socrates' political theory. Socrates believed in ''epaiontes'' in politics which translated to English means...well, there's no exact translation but the closest is experts, specialists, the ones who really know. The example you brought shows exactly that as an opposition to democratic ideals of that era.

  • Robert1893
    7,722 Posts
    Thu, Jan 7 2021 2:36 PM

    👍

  • Yiannis1970
    3,306 Posts
    Thu, Jan 7 2021 2:45 PM

    I guess the best translation in English for the word ''epaion'' is aristo-crat. Aristos = the best, cratos = power.

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Thu, Jan 7 2021 3:56 PM

    I don't know much about Plato, but wasn't Socrates the one who penned  "There was an old man from Nantucket" ?

    just askin'

    ct

  • Robert1893
    7,722 Posts
    Thu, Jan 7 2021 4:09 PM

    LOL! 

  • callaghan159
    6,363 Posts
    Thu, Jan 7 2021 4:58 PM

    ct690911:

    I don't know much about Plato, but wasn't Socrates the one who penned  "There was an old man from Nantucket" ?

    just askin'

    ct

    There are lots of old men from Nantucket, my questions is, is there any nice looking young blondes there?

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