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Mon, Oct 24 2011 4:39 AM (168 replies)
  • russellfahey
    4,286 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 3:51 PM

     I have read this forum with interest,as to the views of mainly many legends and 1 back against the wall t.master.I admittedly don't play mpc's,as i'm only on here for fun and enjoy being part of myy CC,i am one of those players who couldn't wait to get to level 88 and buy the r11 driver as i could see the benefits of using it to lower my score and hopefully make me a better palyer(jury's still out on that 1 lol) but i don't see why this has to be the main preserve of just legends?

         It's only my opinion but i think wgt changed to xp level rather than tier level,because they would make more $ from ppl buying alot more balls,as everyone knows that the points required to get from 87 to 88 is about 35k giv or take,so you would have to play alot of games even including the maximum 880 daily points(most points coming from alt games hence ppl mainly playing them in order to get to the target figure quicker) so that there average wouldn't move and they stay at same tier.= low tier+ best equiptment  =sandbaggers.For example i had calloway i(z)vapour trail balls which lasted me 2 rounds for 1 ball so 3 balls used in 6 rounds x that by days needed at 880 points  +alt game points they're gonna need to rebuy at least 15 sleeves of balls even if they only play 3 rounds a day(only a rough guess) thats at least $30+ they wouldn't of got if the person is only here for fun and wasn't able to get there average down in order to advance in tier so may only play with stock balls hence revenue wgt gets from changing from tier to level.    tbc

  • dandaley
    83 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 3:59 PM

     

    Alt. Shot, Match Play and MPC-all players should tee off at the same tee regardless of your tier level. You certainly do not see pro's on tour teeing off on different tees.

    If a game is open to play for CREDITS then the tournament should really be tier based and all conditions should be applicable to all players.

    If and when I play a MPC it is only with people I have come to know in this virtual land and at least have a little level of trust.  I have been hustled a few times-shame on you and in time I will seek my revenge.  (lol)

    RG's and stroke play open to "all players" are not fair to all players if there are different tees and players are of different tiers.

    I think the "FUN" goes out the window when it becomes unfriendly and "credits rule"

     

    Just my 2 cents   ô¿ô

     

     

     

  • russellfahey
    4,286 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 4:22 PM

    Looking at the threads i have picked a few out to try an respond to:-

     The op says to redress the balance legends should tee off from same tees as lower level oppo does,how can this be possibly fair as the small advantage the lower tier had has now become a very big advantage to the legend,the legend has got this status from hard work,knowing the course how to play each shot which the low level player has far less experience of,and most important how to putt the ball?read greens.Admittedly i fall into last catergory as i have missed so many putts by inches costing me a better average than i have but thats my flaw not the legends.

       Priestess makes a valid point about the capping system,but even her system needs tweaking a little as that also sways in favour of the legend(seems to be a trend lol) she mentions letting lower tier win alilttle b4 being moved up a tier but the legend is unlimited why?  i would suggest capping the amount legends can win against lower tiers so that they will have to play mpc's against there own tier,as i've noticed ppl saying they can't find games against there own tier(probably coz they're trying to win easy $ off lower tiers lol).Chris also summaises that some legends wont play him because he has a lower average than them and it would be $ suicide to play him.!

       Although it's not perfect,what wgticon and some have said, but it makes sense check out there stats b4 playing them if it don't add up don't play em.I totally agree with what Jalbar said as he see's both sides of the coin and see's both pro's and cons to what wil be a very trickyand complex solution which i'm sure someone will figure it out eventually when everyone stops playing mpc's.

       basically i feel whilst no-one is actually breaking any rules,it's a case of lower tier players trying to expoit the advantages that they currently have against greedy legends who are also trying to make an easy buck thus the twain shall meet and someone will always be crying ast the 19th hole and by general concensus so far it's the legends.  

  • JuanMendoza
    469 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 4:39 PM

    I ain't crying...

    Average don't mean so much in MP, every shot matters. Even second-account sandbaggers gotta putt, and they're in MY house...

  • gene1022
    112 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 5:24 PM

    ironking34:

    gene1022:

    I was under the impression that ready goes were, same conditions same tees for all entered in that tourney.  ?????

     Same conditions based on Tier, therefore a legend playing a ready go will be hitting from a different tee than a tour master playing the same ready go.

     

    I stand corrected. Misconception on my part. Thanks for clarifying

  • gilman10
    431 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 5:46 PM

    What are you doing in my thread gene? I hijacked it fair and square.

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 5:46 PM

    russellfahey:
    it's a case of lower tier players trying to expoit the advantages that they currently have against greedy legends who are also trying to make an easy buck thus the twain shall meet and someone will always be crying ast the 19th hole and by general concensus so far it's the legends.  

     

    No, not at all...and the same thing some of are saying, could be held true for a TM vs a level 88 TP...the TP at level 88 has all the same equipment a level 88 TM can have...both (by levels it's obvious) they have struck as many balls here, played as much, have the same experiance...but the TP now has a tee advantage or the TM (Master too).

     

    No one is crying, heck, no one is even complaining, just voicing concerns to level the playing field between teirs...Just like (not sure if it still exists) Wendys used to sponser a "3 Tier Open" or something similar...PGA players, Seniors and LPGA players...all hit from respective tees, all had roughly the same approach shot to green in distance...now LPGA player may use 5 iron from 160, Sr may use 6 iron, and PGA player used 7 iron....that levels the playing field...sure, in the day Laura Davies would be 70 yards ahead of Freddie off the tee and hitting wedge, but all in all it was a fair format.

     

    As I see it, Legends are not greedy, but want to play on an even field...or do you think because a TM/Master/TP...etc has the same equipment as I do, has the same experience level as I do...I should (because I choose to play ranked rounds) be able to fairly play that person (RG or MP) who gets to hit a 60 degree wedge to the green while I play a 6 iron?

     

    Bank some ranked rounds, lower your average and move up...then revisit this post:)

     

    And Juan...quit trying to drum up another MPC in every dang thread..lol

  • Ducati916
    1,116 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 6:11 PM

    So...by now, with everyone's 2 cents..I suppose we're up to about $10.  Anyway, I guess I'd be classed as one of those sandbaggers. So, let me give you 2 more cents worth.  Before there were tiers, I played a ton of match play...mostly in the scored category. I actually didn't know there was an MPC. Then when I discovered MPC, I played some of those..enough to keep me in golf balls and buy a new driver and wedges--I put about the first $50 in myself.  Then blitz's came around and I played a lot of those...then Alt. Shot, which I play most of the time.  Recently, I've started playing MP's a bit more again. The point is, I didn't enjoy stroke play when I first joined with all the stalling and quitting and disconnecting and people just whacking the ball all over the place just to piss everyone else off.  So, that's when I switched to MP. I have a lot of MP's against Pros (before the tiers) and Tour Pros and Masters. About 85% of all my MP were just scored. I will occasionally do a MPC now against whoever shows up. At that point, everyone can see my level and average. It seems that in MPC, it's common for a higher tier player to enter a game against me and it's all good. I like to be polite with a welcome and comment on good shots, etc. If they win the first hole, or second hole...they seem just fine with it, but, if I come back, or I win the first or second hole, many times they'll start to say how unfair it is.  Well...guess what...it wasn't unfair when you accepted the game and proposed the wager (I always join a game--never set one up) or, when you won the first hole....but all of a sudden because you bogey two holes or I bridie one or two...it's now unfair? So, in any case, I always offer to cancel if anyone--regardless of tier, feels that it's unfair...even if I'm two up, or one up...or dormie..The creidts just aren't that important to me...I have a low average and am a high level...Mostly because, WGT doesn't seem to think that Alt. Shot, or Blitz, or MP should be considered as experience.  They most certainly should be.  I also catch flack for playing Alt. Shot sometimes...but, I'd play that game regardless of which tees I hit from or what clubs I have...I just enjoy alt. shot...but, if someone has a problem with that, I take no offense and will gladly drop or find another game. It's entertainment to me...not a mission...not a way to take peoples credits...not a way to "win" at a game for my own ego.

    I think perhaps the biggest issue is that the game promotes moving up in levels...not moving up in tiers...bonus level points for consecutive days...points for playing, XP...clubs available at level xx.....I'd be fine with playing with clubs that are available to me while higher tiers can have others...In fact, I like my rapture irons just fine.

    So, after all that...my opinion (although unsolicited) is that all tiers should have clubs that are available only to their level or higher......and, all games should be factored into the tier rating. I'd bet that 60% or more of Masters and below would all move up at least 1-2 tiers if they did factor those games in.  And that would be fine with me.  So, if you play with "baggers"..look at their average and level before you start a MP game...or even an Alt. Shot or stroke play. If it bothers you adn you decide not to play...well....No offense taken by this player.

    Now..everyone go play and enjoy the entertainment with whoever you choose to play with/against.

     

  • Stagehand
    63 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 7:00 PM

    I agree with D we are all tired of "Baggers"

  • dedon1
    8 Posts
    Thu, Sep 1 2011 7:34 PM

    I am just curious, how the hell a player remain an amateur with a score  average of 60 ! They are at level 81, has some of the best equipment and they play from the starter tee! someone please explain!

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