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Weekly Multi-Round Open exclusions

• slor 902 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 8:16 AM

  Faterson:

  Not really, Slor. You'd be surprised. The Internet is available everywhere, but the value of the dollar is very different in various parts of the world. We have lots of players from South America on this site, but I understand average salaries in that part of the world, when converted to dollars, are rather low. In my country as well, 1 US dollar isn't something you'd just throw away. The US dollar has lost about 50% of its value over the last 10 years here, but it still isn't a negligible amount. The salaries in this part of Europe are maybe one half, or one third, of those in the US, so a US dollar might actually correspond, in practical value, to what 2 US dollars (or more) mean to an average American.

  Well argued, Faterson. You've made your point well. 

• Serj 57 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 12:49 PM

  Yes, the questions on the exclusion of various states and all other countries and the payout being HALF of the buy-in need to be thoroughly answered, WGT. I believe I speak for everyone when saying that the rhetorical, almost computer-generated answers are getting old.

• 103 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:14 PM

  The answer is very simple folks. It's commonly referred to as "being in business to make money" while keeping a safe distance from the borders of the law.

  Do you really feel this site owes you legal explanations on why's, explicit explanations on the when's, anti-discriminatory reasons on the who's, geographical explanations on the where's and any explanation on the what's? How big are your egos?

  If you live in a country where the rules and regulations make sense and perfectly cater to all parties equally and fairly, please let me know so I can dig out my passport. Until then, please deal with it.

  Adam

• tibbets 1,043 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:24 PM

  No, they may not owe any explanation to anyone, of course.  They do, however owe us the rules and terms of the tournament however, pursuant to California Business and Professions Code, sections 17539-17539.3, 17539.35.  It clearly states that all contests must clearly and conspicuously disclose all the rules, regulations, and terms and conditions of the contest.  Right now, under Tournament Rules, there is nothing, and the tournament is underway, with 25+ entries already.

  How are ties handled?  How is the cut determined? How is the winner determined?  What is the time period of the prize allotment?

• 103 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:36 PM

  Unless you're an attorney or have consulted one, please do not interpret the law. It was designed to be confusing to non-practitioners and has many layers.

  Also, are you 100% certain that they don't exist or are you simply running with the pack on this thread? You might feel quite the fool if they magically appear exactly where they should be.

  Adam

• tibbets 1,043 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:41 PM

  Why would I feel the fool?  They aren't there now (have a look for yourself), I'm asking for them, have been asking for them for the last 2 days.  If they indeed 'magically appear', then great!  Then we'll all know what the rules are, won't we?

• 103 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:54 PM

  ...and this doesn't answer your question? http://www.wgt.com/terms.aspx

  ...or do you want specific arguments outlined and detailed for each and every tournament? Remember, they would have to pay a person or people to do this and guess who pays for it in the end?

  Adam

• tibbets 1,043 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:09 PM

  Sure, let's have a look at that.  There are 2 types of games covered in those terms.  Let's look at the first:

  In-Game Skill Based Competitions

  "As part of regular WORLD GOLF TOUR game play, WORLD GOLF TOUR may sponsor and give you the opportunity to earn WGT Credits in certain in-game skill based monthly and weekly competitions ("Competitions"). No purchase or payment is necessary to participate in such Competitions...."

  Nope, this one has an entry fee.  Let's look at the next:

  
  

  In-Game Person to Person Skill Based Challenges

  "As part of regular WORLD GOLF TOUR game play, WORLD GOLF TOUR may sponsor and give you the opportunity to earn WGT Credits in certain in-game person to person skill based challenges ("Challenges")...To participate in a Challenge, you must first select the type of game you would like to play on the Challenge Page. If you are proposing a Challenge to another user, you must select a user as a challenger that has selected the same type of game and select how many WGT Credits you are willing to submit as your share of the WGT Credits for that Challenge with such user. If you accept a Challenge that another user proposed, you agree to match the same amount of WGT Credits as that submitted by the user that proposes the Challenge you accept. In addition to the Credits submitted by each player for the Challenge, each player will pay the same, a separate fee to WGT for the Challenge game which will be equal to 10% of the amount of Credits the player submits for the Challenge as a payment made solely for the operation of the services and facilities necessary to participate in the Challenge (the "Participant Fee"); provided, however that. the Participant Fee will be equal at least ten (10) credits per player and will not exceed one hundred seventy-five (175) credits per player, regardless of how many WGT Credits are submitted by the participants in the Challenge."

  Nope, it's definitely not a person to person Challenge game, it's a 2 round Stroke Play tournament.

  Here is an example of what a Tournament Rules page usually looks like.  I know, I have read them all and quoted from them frequently over the last 14 months.

   

   

• 103 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:16 PM

  Sorry,

  I'm not going to read past the first line and neither should you. You have no valid argument and aren't aware of it.

  Consult your attorney. It is no ones job on this site or any site to split hairs on sentence meaning or content. Your attorney will quickly advise you the same.

  Your attempts at unraveling a riddle that is already solved will only leave you spinning your wheels in the mud.

  Adam

• Serj 57 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:28 PM

  Hey Adam, first off I'm going to take tibbets word on this before your's. He is a respected person on this site and usually knows what he is talking about. WGT does deserve to answer WHY people are excluded from this tournament and WHY the payout is only half of the buy-in. The reason being...

  WE ARE CUSTOMERS. They do not have to go over every small legality, no, but a proper explanation is due, and like tibbets said usually the rules and regulations are laid out before something starts. We just want simple answers so you can quit responding with 'contact your attorney.'

  Trust me, people around here are going to listen to tibbets before they listen to you...