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• WGTicon 12,511 Posts

  Sat, Jan 14 2012 12:12 PM

  Hi.

  Personally, I do not know why Belgium is excluded but form our POV, I am sure country is not the issue. What the issue is the law's and obviously there is something there that prohibits it. 

  As far as selection's I believe the breakdown is right. Qualifiers are ones who get in via ranking and then if multiple people qualify in multi-month, then next lower gets in. In case of bollox/dud/hans since they qualified in multi month, the spots went to next 3 eligible players.

  -wgticon

• Penners 1,707 Posts

  Sun, Jan 15 2012 3:22 AM

  Thanks Icon, I'm sure it is to do with gambling Laws, it just seems strange why those guys can play in the qualiftying (albeit not able to win the prize) but not play in the Finals.

  oilyrag:

  Penners:

  • Top 3 = top 3 positions in the Leaderboard  (not tied 3rd) as per WGT's rules.
  • Players from country's not elliglble to win the prize - in this instance Belgium and Argentina, were for some reason banned from playing in the Finals despite Top 3 finishes.
  • Players outside the Top 3 spots were then given places taken by multiple Top 3 finishers and players from country's not elliglble to win the prize.

  right then penners :)

  i've looked through the rules again

  http://www.wgt.com/tournaments/rules.aspx?ID=78dcf55e-3e6b-454f-92fe-9fd601490af8

  there is nothing i can see how "multi qualified" player are dealt with.

  i will assume this - given that you did not receive the email.

  from the 3 qualifiers

       oct                                             nov                       dec

  1 bollox                               1 dansamcam              1 bollox

  2 hanswurst                        2 jimbean                    2 dud_doodle

  3 cyl6                                     3 dud_doodle             3 hanswurst

   -------------                             -----------------                 3 runwme

   4 dansamcam                   3 bollox                         3 dansamcam

                                                5 kam4122                    3 ffudd

                                                                                        3 portsd

                                                                                      -------------------

                                                                                       3 penners

                                                                                       9 jj656

   

  bold and italics are multi qualified so the the places have been given to the next lowest on ties

  Morning Oilyrag, Nice work. I agree with all that, I couldn't see anything about multi-qualified players either (although the question was raised in the forums a couple of months ago). As I said: (I missed out dansamcam)

  "Obviously some guys - Bollox, dud_doodle, Hanswurst, have finished in the Top 3 more than once - could it be that their place in the Top 3 was replaced by the next place down in the subsequent tournament. So for December, their Top 3 places were taken instead by RUNWME, F Fudd and PortsD... stopping one short of me!!"

  Another slight compliction(!) to add to this is for November where Genorb finished Tied 1st (2nd) and Elvionmepego in first of the Tied 3rds (3rd place). I actually remember this now, because Jimbean is a friend of mine and when I saw him come Tied 3rd (4th) I was wondering at the time if it was good enough to qualify.

  So November's table really looked like this: (Placing for purposes of qualifying shown in brackets)

  1 (1st) - Dansamcam - 120

  1 (2nd) - Genorb - 120

  3 (3rd) - Elvinomepego - 122

  3 (4th) - Jimbean346- 122

  5 (5th) - dud_doodle - 123

  5 (6th) - BolloxinBruges - 123

  7 (7th) kam4122 - 124

  So, let's for a minute assume dud_doodle didn't make Top 3 in December, it would appear from what we have worked out, due to Genorb's and Elvinomepego's absence from the Finals dud_doodle qualified for the Finals based on Novembers qualifying, where he finished Tied 5th, a shot behind the Top 3.  Whereas I finished on level shots with the Top 3 placed and didn't qualify!!

  Pretty sure I understand how this has been worked out now - it's all down to the place on the WGT Leaderboard regardless of shots/ties. I've been unfortunate, and it's been a bit weird how it's worked out, but this all seems very messy (and avoidable) to me.

  I know I sound like a bit of a broken record so I'll (attempt!) leave this now. It's really not of much importance, I just like digging into things sometimes...

• oilyrag 875 Posts

  Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:00 AM

  Penners:

  "Obviously some guys - Bollox, dud_doodle, Hanswurst, have finished in the Top 3 more than once - could it be that their place in the Top 3 was replaced by the next place down in the subsequent tournament. So for December, their Top 3 places were taken instead by RUNWME, F Fudd and PortsD... stopping one short of me!!"

  Another slight compliction(!) to add to this is for November where Genorb finished Tied 1st (2nd) and Elvionmepego in first of the Tied 3rds (3rd place). I actually remember this now, because Jimbean is a friend of mine and when I saw him come Tied 3rd (4th) I was wondering at the time if it was good enough to qualify.

  So November's table really looked like this: (Placing for purposes of qualifying shown in brackets)

  1 (1st) - Dansamcam - 120

  1 (2nd) - Genorb - 120

  3 (3rd) - Elvinomepego - 122

  3 (4th) - Jimbean346- 122

  5 (5th) - dud_doodle - 123

  5 (6th) - BolloxinBruges - 123

  7 (7th) kam4122 - 124

  So, let's for a minute assume dud_doodle didn't make Top 3 in December, it would appear from what we have worked out, due to Genorb's and Elvinomepego's absence from the Finals dud_doodle qualified for the Finals based on Novembers qualifying, where he finished Tied 5th, a shot behind the Top 3.  Whereas I finished on level shots with the Top 3 placed and didn't qualify!!

  Pretty sure I understand how this has been worked out now - it's all down to the place on the WGT Leaderboard regardless of shots/ties. I've been unfortunate, and it's been a bit weird how it's worked out, but this all seems very messy (and avoidable) to me.

  agreed, that was what my table was supposed to show. 

  could also add in that those just outside the top 3 from october and november have a valid case for taking the place of the "multi-qualifiers" given that the rules say nothing

   

   

   

   

  Penners:

  I know I sound like a bit of a broken record so I'll (attempt!) leave this now. It's really not of much importance, I just like digging into things sometimes...

  so do I..... and why let anything get in the way of a good moan :)

• Penners 1,707 Posts

  Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:46 AM

  "could also add in that those just outside the top 3 from october and november have a valid case for taking the place of the "multi-qualifiers" given that the rules say nothing"

  Yes, I agree as there is no mention. At least in this instance, there were no Tied 3rds in October, whilst in November JimBean346 who Tied 3rd got in anyway through Elvinomepego not being allowed to play. So it worked out fair that the December Tied 3rds got in (I was the only Tied 3rd to miss out across the 3 Tournaments - cue the Violins!!), but it could have been farcical!

  "so do I..... and why let anything get in the way of a good moan :)"

  Indeed, I love a good moan. :) Ironically, even now as I type, I'm getting moaned at for moaning, which makes me want to moan even more! ;)

  In all seriousness though, hopefully this makes WGT look at the way they plan these events in the future and look closer into what they include in the rules. Because although it's worked out OK this time, other outcomes could potentially have been really silly...
  

  
  

  
  

• demcug 1,456 Posts

  Sun, Jan 15 2012 5:08 AM

  WGTicon:

  Hi.

  Personally, I do not know why Belgium is excluded but form our POV, I am sure country is not the issue. What the issue is the law's and obviously there is something there that prohibits it. 

  Hi ICON,

  I am Italian and my country is excluded, such as Belgium.
  As you say, there must be something at the legislative level, which excludes certaincountries, but you're a moderator you may study this aspect, with people of WGT, so you understand why (or law) or what prevents this.
  And especially if you can do something to get around it all.
  Sometimes the laws are interpreted and not respected (loll)
  It's really frustrating that.
  I would just like to understand why and try to do something for the excluded countries.
  
  Tyvm even if you can not do anything for us
  
  Demetrio

• suncity28 1,266 Posts

  Sun, Jan 15 2012 6:52 AM

  different country's have different laws on different game types/betting/gambling/lotto etc etc

  For example

  Australian players are eligible to enter ready goes tournaments.

   not eligible to enter Any tournament which has a random prize , random drawing , sweepstakes , ctth tournaments like weekly , monthly , OPEN and USA open $500 ctth gift card prize , random drawing of pebble beach holiday.   Most other tournament which includes a holiday for 1st prize.

  ^^^ always haft to read rules of tournament before I enter it :o(  not sure why can win in some tournaments and not eligible in others and the rule in place there..

   

   

   

• FarFoo 2,921 Posts

  Sun, Jan 15 2012 7:07 AM

  WGT's actions seem to make sense to me except allowing players to qualify but not enter the finals because they are not eligible for the prize. They should be allowed to compete IMHO.( Perhaps increasing the number of players allowed in the finals, as required to accommodate this,  would make sense )

  Importantly, the winner cannot say he/she beat the best on WGT, which is no good.

  The winning prizes could have been allocated to the highest eligible player.

  Speaking personally, if I'd won the top prize but been beaten by, say Elvino, I would have gifted him a whole bunch of balls, which would be legal. ( Easy to say this when you're not good enough to win it....lol)

  Foo

• demcug 1,456 Posts

  Sun, Jan 15 2012 8:12 AM

  FarFoo:

  Speaking personally, if I'd won the top prize but been beaten by, say Elvino, I would have gifted him a whole bunch of balls, which would be legal. ( Easy to say this when you're not good enough to win it....lol)

  Yes 

  I think this is a great idea to get around it all. Eg. if one wins the card amazon but can not receive the prize, then the next player who gets rewarded for the defection could give their cards to the player excluded.

  Of course then if sportiness is less then it does not do anything but I'm sure there areplayers that could correct this.

  
  

• genorb 1,255 Posts

  Sun, Jan 15 2012 9:17 AM

  suncity28:

  different country's have different laws on different game types/betting/gambling/lotto etc etc

  Law only explain why some players cannot win certain prizes. It doesn't explain why some players cannot play some competitions for which they qualified.

  And concerning the prizes, they could give 10-20% of the value in credits as a compensation for those who cannot receive the prize but spent time and money to post good scores. 

  Regards

   

• genorb 1,255 Posts

  Sun, Jan 15 2012 9:39 AM

  FarFoo:

  Importantly, the winner cannot say he/she beat the best on WGT, which is no good.

  I can tell you that the player who will win the 1000$ doesn't care one second about that :).

  Regards