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"Legend" Tournament Leaders

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 8:36 AM

  Rockeey:

   

  Forgive me but I'm not seeing the logic here. If there are "TM's who could win these tournaments" but they don't because "they can't take advantage of the ladies tees", then the first part of the assertion contradicts the second part. Either they can or they can't win.  

  Also, consider the power of ego and there are certainly players who would rather achieve 'bragging rights' over money. To be a Level 86 Legend regularly placing in the Top 5 in tournaments would be a heck of an accomplishment.....and should happen from time to time.....but, again, you never see that. 

   

  They can win them but they can win more staying as a TM playing match play for credits off the ladies tees. If you don't understand that I'm not sure how else to explain it.

  I just looked at a couple of completed RGs.

  STA front 9 has 4 players 90 and below in Top 10.

  Best of 18 RG has 3 players below 90 in Top 10.

  STA full has 4 players below 90 in Top 10.

  ????

   

• hpurey 11,505 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 8:48 AM

  DarSum:

  They can win them but they can win more staying as a TM playing match play for credits off the ladies tees. If you don't understand that I'm not sure how else to explain it.

  Makes total sense to me.

   

   

• Rockeey 35 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 8:51 AM

  Hey, if I'm wrong about this then I'm wrong. Like I said, it was just an observation and it still seems kind of odd to me. Was just curious if anyone else felt there was any substance to it. Thanks for all of the replies.

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 8:52 AM

  mnshiner:

  Definition of a TRUE player and Legend please.

   

  My definition of a TRUE player on WGT is someone who is not afraid of playing ranked rounds and advancing in tiers.

  Definition of a non-TRUE player is someone who has around a 61-62 avg as a TM or M and never plays another ranked round so they can stay a tour master or master. They have a huge advantage on certain nines over legends of the same average and ability. Check out KIA back nine for an example. If you're a TM or M that plays nothing but match play credit games why on earth would ever want to advance to legend?

  This has been beaten to death in the forums for over a year or more. WGT knows it. Players know it. This is the main reason I don't play match play for credits unless it's a friendly game with someone I know. I can't think of any reason why I would want to play a MPC game with a TM who is of equal ability/same equipment as myself and spot him 30-60 yrds off the tee.

  These players also run rampant on the WGTLS guilds. 

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 10:18 AM

  Rockeey. Does your state allow you to play ready go's? If the answer is yes then just try playing a few ready go's in a day. I normally play around 5 a day (when i'm online), sometimes more, and have done for around 6/7 months. Just pick your favorite courses or the 1's with easy conditions. You are a legend after all so can shoot around 29,30,31. I guarantee you'll start to make a profit eventually. That's how i started and on the odd occasion i'll win 1 of them. I'm now self sufficient and can keep myself in balls and the odd new club release here and there. Yes i do withdraw every now and again but that's only if i have no chance of getting credits back. I always start off each ready go thinking i need to shoot 30 to break even or get a little bit back. That's my aim. If the round starts off well then maybe a 28/29 could be on the cards and i'm doubling my stake or if i'm lucky then top 3 or even the win (i won a ready go once with a 30 so you never know)

  It's nothing to do with tiers or levels. It's whether the player wants to put the effort in to keep grinding away at tournaments until they start to win a few. Hence the fact most winners are above level 90. Maybe some players want instant success but like everything, you need to spend time and effort.

  Dazza

• Rockeey 35 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 10:28 AM

  DarSum:

  They can win them but they can win more staying as a TM playing match play for credits off the ladies tees. If you don't understand that I'm not sure how else to explain it.

  The bolded part you added clarifies for me what you were trying to say. That makes sense now.

  DarSum:

  I just looked at a couple of completed RGs.

  STA front 9 has 4 players 90 and below in Top 10.

  Best of 18 RG has 3 players below 90 in Top 10.

  STA full has 4 players below 90 in Top 10.

  ???? 

  Why no Top 3 or 1st place finsihes? Even I've finished in the Top 10 before. Were there even any Top 5 finishes?

• Rockeey 35 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 10:42 AM

  DAZZA501:

  Rockeey. Does your state allow you to play ready go's? If the answer is yes then just try playing a few ready go's in a day. I normally play around 5 a day (when i'm online), sometimes more, and have done for around 6/7 months. Just pick your favorite courses or the 1's with easy conditions. You are a legend after all so can shoot around 29,30,31. I guarantee you'll start to make a profit eventually. That's how i started and on the odd occasion i'll win 1 of them. I'm now self sufficient and can keep myself in balls and the odd new club release here and there. Yes i do withdraw every now and again but that's only if i have no chance of getting credits back. I always start off each ready go thinking i need to shoot 30 to break even or get a little bit back. That's my aim. If the round starts off well then maybe a 28/29 could be on the cards and i'm doubling my stake or if i'm lucky then top 3 or even the win (i won a ready go once with a 30 so you never know)

  In complete honesty, this has nothing to do with me being able to win or not. It would be nice to post a 1st place finish but it causes me no grief whatsoever that I can't. I am actually pleased when I finish in the Top 50  : )

  DAZZA501:

  It's nothing to do with tiers or levels. It's whether the player wants to put the effort in to keep grinding away at tournaments until they start to win a few. Hence the fact most winners are above level 90. Maybe some players want instant success but like everything, you need to spend time and effort.

  Dazza

  I'm sure there are plenty of sub-90 level players out there grinding away at their game...putting in the time, etc. I do not disagree with most of the replies that suggest having the right equipment, putting in the effort, recovering from wayward shots, and grinding away is what gets someone to the winner's circle. All I'm saying is that surely there are sub-90 level Legends out there who have figured all of this out but still can't win. There are plenty of online gamers who have above-average gaming skills and know how to figure out the ins and outs of these virtual games with far less effort than someone like myself. They're willing to spend countless hours in front of a screen mastering the game and many of them can do it in very short order. The fact that no one under Level 90 has accomplished this is very peculiar and strongly suggests there are 'other' factors involved.

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 11:09 AM

  Rockeey:

   

  Why no Top 3 or 1st place finsihes? Even I've finished in the Top 10 before. Were there even any Top 5 finishes?

   

  Rockeey:

   The fact that no one under Level 90 has accomplished this is very peculiar and strongly suggests there are 'other' factors involved.

   

  The (we) players above level 90 put a lot of time on WGT. And I do mean a LOT of time. It takes forever to advance levels when you're in the 90s. As far as you conspiracy, for lack of a better word, that we get special treatment or don't get VEM as much as lower levels is ludicrous.

  Here is a link to a Best of 18 hole RG. 3rd place is a level 89. There are also 3 other level 90 and below in the top 7. (not everyone has posted so this could change)

  leaderboard.aspx?id=884cc49e 41e0 479c a269 9fe400d200cd

  My opinion on why there are so many winners above level 90 is because of the R11 irons. They are really that much better. Yes you can still win with 2.0s. But R11's make it that much easier. And to add to that, the players above level 90 play a lot. (refer to my first paragraph)

  For instance on levels and how much time it takes to advance once you get into the 90s.

  I'm at 95. My level bar is showing a little over half way to 96. Current points are 1203017. I need to reach 1291355. That's still over 88,000 points. That's a ton of playing to get to even get to 96.

   

• Rockeey 35 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 11:33 AM

  DarSum:

   As far as you conspiracy, for lack of a better word, that we get special treatment or don't get VEM as much as lower levels is ludicrous.

  You've played through the levels leading up to where you are now so if you have not noticed any difference in the VEM/deviation thing, then I would consider that firsthand experience...... which would suggest the implications of my post may be erroneous.

  It still seems odd to me that none of the lower level Legends can post winning scores but if it really boils down to 'experience' then so be it.

• misstery 705 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 11:53 AM

  There was a low level legend last year who won a whole heap of stuff and was top of the earnings table for some time.

  although he hasn't played since last summer his name still appears in the top 100 Legend leaderboard. He appears at number 75 and quit at level 83. (http://www.wgt.com/forums/p/79204/489258.aspx#489258)

  Maybe they just find the game too easy and move on to something more challenging.