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Re: Premium Putter Scale Comparison

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Wed, Mar 2 2011 5:30 PM (22 replies)
  • ThreeSpot
    476 Posts
    Sat, Feb 26 2011 7:30 PM

    Don't know that I have seen the scales, # avatar movements and feet per movement posted for these putters all in the same place.

  • SweetiePie
    4,925 Posts
    Sat, Feb 26 2011 8:39 PM

    It is perhaps why I have forever been mediocre as a putter, but this type of brain surgery has avoided me...happily

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sat, Feb 26 2011 10:01 PM

    Those Ghost numbers are good but they are for the Standard green speeds. Same goes for the Redwood.

  • ThreeSpot
    476 Posts
    Sat, Feb 26 2011 10:36 PM

    YankeeJim:

    Those Ghost numbers are good but they are for the Standard green speeds. Same goes for the Redwood.

    Feet per movement needs to be adjusted for green speed on all 3 putters. That's why I labeled it "nominal".

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sun, Feb 27 2011 9:40 AM

    ThreeSpot:
    Feet per movement needs to be adjusted for green speed on all 3 putters. That's why I labeled it "nominal".

    And you did good but you needed to specify which of the 6 green speeds is your "nominal" or benchmark. There is 1 slower speed than standard and 4 faster speeds. It should be noted, and many don't realize this, that the Legend Tournament and TM Tournament are called the same but are not the same speed. The Legend speed is 10% faster (which is why you see a lot of TMs lipping out when playing Legends.)

    FWIW WGT's stimpmeter.

  • ThreeSpot
    476 Posts
    Sun, Feb 27 2011 10:22 AM

    YankeeJim:

    ThreeSpot:
    Feet per movement needs to be adjusted for green speed on all 3 putters. That's why I labeled it "nominal".

    And you did good but you needed to specify which of the 6 green speeds is your "nominal" or benchmark. There is 1 slower speed than standard and 4 faster speeds. It should be noted, and many don't realize this, that the Legend Tournament and TM Tournament are called the same but are not the same speed. The Legend speed is 10% faster (which is why you see a lot of TMs lipping out when playing Legends.)

    FWIW WGT's stimpmeter.

    "Nominal Feet Per Movement" is simply Meter Scale divided by # Avatar Movements. I thought that was obvious.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sun, Feb 27 2011 11:05 AM

    ThreeSpot:
    "Nominal Feet Per Movement" is simply Meter Scale divided by # Avatar Movements. I thought that was obvious.

    I get it. You did the  basic math. How about your math on all the greens? How do you yourself  adjust for the different speeds?

  • ThreeSpot
    476 Posts
    Sun, Feb 27 2011 11:08 AM

    You know Jim, after further consideration, I guess I should have explicitly stated what this chart is (and is not).

    It is a scale comparison, and a scale comparison only. It is based on what can be quantified about the scales - and admittedly, that is not much. I intended it to be a way to objectively compare scales. Green speed is not included as a comparison criterion because it can't be objectively quantified - it is estimated and therefore subjective.

    I was prompted to do this after buying the Ghost and being somewhat disappointed at what I consider less useful "first avatar movement distances" than the Redwood. Specifically, that the 25 foot scale has only 2.5 movements rather than 5, and that the difference between the first avatar movement footage on the 50 and 100 foot scales is smaller, and IMO therefore less useful, than that between the 45 and 90 foot scales on the Redwood.

    This chart is not a "How to Use" guide or a comparison of "How to Adjust for Green Speed" for these putters. It is simply something that might be useful to someone considering a purchase.

    Is it correct? Yes.

    Is it useful? You get to decide. I think you are saying not so much since there is nothing about practical application of what is presented. I'm all in favor of someone putting together in one place estimated adjusted footages for the putters on the various greeen speeds - it's just outside the scope of the very simple, objective chart I put together.

  • ThreeSpot
    476 Posts
    Sun, Feb 27 2011 11:14 AM

    YankeeJim:

    ThreeSpot:
    "Nominal Feet Per Movement" is simply Meter Scale divided by # Avatar Movements. I thought that was obvious.

    I get it. You did the  basic math. How about your math on all the greens? How do you yourself  adjust for the different speeds?

     

    Sorry, I was in the middle of posting when you posted this. I pretty much putt only Tournament speed. On the Redwood, my "estimated first avatar movement" footages are:

    scale 15: 6

    scale 30: 6

    scale 45: 10

    scale 90: 15

    scale 150: 18.75

    scale 300: 37.5

     

    So I have no adjustment on the 15 and 30 scales, a +10% adjustment on the 45 and a +25% adjustment on the others. Probably could be improved, but works OK for me.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sun, Feb 27 2011 11:19 AM

    I see. I thought it was more than it was because those are numbers I have been using since the beginning. 

    ThreeSpot:
    I was prompted to do this after buying the Ghost and being somewhat disappointed at what I consider less useful "first avatar movement distances" than the Redwood.

    I was thrown for a bit too but after using it for some time now I'm beginning to appreciate the differences. I was so used to the Redwood that the newer scales took a little getting used to but with all the different speeds now I find it rather useful in adjusting between them.

    I see you don't have the Ghost equipped now. Have you used it a lot or do you just prefer the Redwood?

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