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Re: Club clash #86: Emergency Problem

Wed, Nov 21 2018 5:42 AM (160 replies)
  • Lizington
    276 Posts
    Mon, Nov 19 2018 7:40 AM

    WGTChampion:

    Lizington:

    There is also also a issue with the water boy award on the custom courses not awarding the xp awards on the following clash round.

    Do you mean an exploit where you receive awards that you already have? 

    _CHAMPION 

    P.S. Be nice to each other. Don't use exploits. XD

     

    Wow this as caused quite a debate and quite a lot of mixed feelings.

    So this glitch/exploit was not repaired in a reasonable amount of time or was it? And now many of us are at an advantage among others player's wishing to spend their time and money proceeding through the levels to be more competitive with the higher level player's.

    Some of these higher level player's seem happy enough to see the end of the glitch even though it as no or very little advantage to them but maybe some of these player's took advantage while the glitch was here.

    The lower level player's want to be more competitive with the higher level player's and are now at a disadvantage to purchasing higher level equipment and some are upset about this which is understandable.

    So was the glitch such a bad thing and was it repaired in a reasonable amount of time which keeps the game balanced in a fair way to all of us,if not is it worth bringing it back and incorporating it into the game this as happened in the past were game developers have embraced it as emergent gameplay.

    Cheers

    Liz

     

  • DonCaron
    5,502 Posts
    Mon, Nov 19 2018 8:15 AM

    Nancy is a nice person and Committed to her club. I see nothing wrong with that.

    Kudos to her for Her effort for her club. 

  • LuckySkreet
    611 Posts
    Mon, Nov 19 2018 8:35 AM

    MainzMan:

    Lucky, I'm as mystified as anyone as to why a L200 player should be so keen to have the bug left in place and pay 18,000 credits for Premier Membership to boost the XP given by it.

    I also agree that the Premier Membership still does what it was sold as doing and don't think a refund is likely or justified.

    Maybe I'm having a sensitive day but I really don't think Dennis would have made a post like that.  Hell, I've posted loads of massively insulting stuff so have no moral leg to stand on really.

    To me it just wasn't in good taste, I probably should have kept my gob keyboard shut though. 

    No offence to you was intended.  I think we're actually very much on the same page when it comes to this bug and it's removal.

    For what it's worth....and no offence directed toward you........   I beg to differ....

     

    First...regarding Dennis; he was an acquaintance of mine...not necessarily a friend. Perhaps you knew him well and / or better ....  I dunno.  This, being said....   in my opinion,  He was "unfiltered" .....  which is what I admired and liked about him.  I've seen him rip folks from a**hole to appetite.....  and never blink nor look back.    He was a "realist"....  called balls and strikes,  and jumped all over hypocrisy....      Which is just what this is....   Someone who purposely demonstrated "intent" to  exploit a  programming error, purchase a premium membership to further exploit, and then "whine" about it when the error is corrected......    One would think folks would have enough sense to enjoy whatever "ill gained" benefit they received, and move along..... and be happy they got away with it as long as they did.....    certainly not the case here.   

     

    Secondly....  should someone find my comment insulting....  so be it.  If that shoe fits, they can slide that puppy on  and wear the hell out of it......   

     

    CEverette hit the nail on the head......  " There is more to this game than XPs .  Cmon Man . "    Much truth in that statement.....  One would think, those who found benefit from the exploit  would take what they got and move along...   not the case here.

     

    Many, as myself, could care less about XP's.....  matter of fact, one could take that gazillion XP count and trade it in for what.............. NOTHING. 

     

    Moving back to insulting......   What I find "insulting" , which is what I was pointing out, is the "badgering" toward WGTChampion  to actually give someone a refund.  That's a joke in itself.      Perhaps WGT should exercise the following language referenced in the "Terms & Conditions" 

    • Exploit any bug in the Site to gain unfair advantage in the game and communicate the existence of any such bug.

    And, effectively terminate known accounts that used said "bug".......  in particular those who knowingly, with intent, used it over and over and over, each and every day, for over a year......       Gonna be hard to say " I knew about it, maybe did once or twice" when it's obvious they rode that horse as hard and fast as they could........  'till if fell over and died.

     

    Can you hear that noise?   That's all the "clicking" of the delete buttons from folks who are ridding their profile pages and past forum post's of their willing communications regarding the "bug".......  many of which have posted and communicated detailed instruction on how to gain maximum value from the exploit.........

     

    Perhaps you'll find these comments in "bad taste" as well......   that's up to you.  Often time the truth  has a bitter taste....          

     

     

  • bubbsboy
    6,879 Posts
    Mon, Nov 19 2018 8:59 AM

    Possibly one would think that racking up xps by playing so much would one day be beneficial.

    Possibly earning so much experience that they win a wgt tournament or two.

    Though as I've never been an xp chaser after reaching mid 90 level then I guess it maybe just my opinion.

  • 2questions
    856 Posts
    Mon, Nov 19 2018 11:38 AM

    support d' Art(s).  Funny.  Hilarious.  Very well executed... 

    It deftly illustrates your messaging, but...I stand with Nancy on this.  This is a potential simple bait, and switch transparency / non-forewarning issue i.e.

    d' WGT were well aware of how "the glitch" was being used by it's customers.  Overwhelmingly. 

    d' WGT increased it's Premier / Plus marketing in pursuit for substantially more product sales...while they possibly held a fix "glitch" correction in it's pocket.  After the renewed marketing effort...time to fix "the glitch". 

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    Nancy1959:
    Yes, they have made it meaningless now.  I have close to 79 million xp.  Why would I choose to pay $180 to get a few hundred more xp per round when I use a CC pass....or extra CC passes for that matter?

    This is why I mentioned that WGT made a big business mistake that will cost them many thousands of dollars.

    ...(snip...)...as they just saved me a ton of money.  I'm just very surprised, as they are a business and therefore are in the business to make money.

    There was zero transparency / non-forewarning it's potential Premier / Plus current & new customers of the impending fix...that their then current customers use of  "the glitch" might be effected.  Thus...

    Zero transparency / non-forewarning obligates some consideration of some kind for it's customer base.  Real members aka customers spent real $$$ while d' WGT was well aware of the potential adverse affect on WGT customer base without proper forewarning. 

    Nancy's original point(s) are 100% correct, and...0% incorrect.

    - Ty (Q)

  • 2questions
    856 Posts
    Mon, Nov 19 2018 12:15 PM

    MainzMan:

    2questions:

    WGTChampion:
    XP exploit and the superpass exploit

    What...?

    Is "...the superpass exploit"...?

    - Ty (Q)

    This was a bug that allowed clubs to get massive amounts of points during a clash.

    It was possible to use a superpass during a none clash round to earn points for the clash.

    It's been fixed now.

    -------------------------------------------------------

    Thanx...

    I had no idea this was a real 'thing'.   Wow.

    I appreciate the quick, and...timely response.  "...bigly..."

    - Ty (Q)

  • LuckySkreet
    611 Posts
    Mon, Nov 19 2018 6:20 PM

    2questions:

    Zero transparency / non-forewarning obligates some consideration of some kind for it's customer base.  Real members aka customers spent real $$ while d' WGT was well aware of the potential adverse affect on WGT customer base without proper forewarning. 

    - Ty (Q)

     

    Really??  That's laughable....       

     

    I'd certainly side with your position, if WGT had (as previously mentioned) included the following:   "Perfect for exploiting WGT programming errors and glitch's" in the product advertising........

     

    It's rather simple.....   "Live by the sword......die by the sword."      

     

    The "refund"  analogy is a joke.....   'akin to  buying a bag of Oreo's, busting it open and licking out all the cream fillings, slapping the nasty-ass cookies back together....  and demanding a refund from the cashier........     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Mon, Nov 19 2018 8:54 PM

    FWIW I never found the filmstrip offensive.   As satire, I thought it was fine.

    This place (PC side anyway) has been exploring edge case revenue. 

    99.9% were never going to see $180 as a way to get to L200 as a player / L21 as a club as anything other than no thanks.  99% probably do not care, but 95% may click what country club.

    I think (if it wishes to go post flash PC side)  WGT would do well to look at ways to wipe the slate clean, and concentrate on real non pjysical course golf.  Sure no one seriously considers a PC to be real golf BUT you can get enough feel and competition to be a Friday night why not.  

    Coins and clash stuff is not real golf representative.  Place for it and fine and sure exploit that BUT what gets the badge selling is "real" competition that can't be solved by spreadsheets, same as real sport. 

    I would say allowing (sorry not being able to solve) an extreme XP glitch for so long has created long term issues, but this place has not thought long term for ages. I hope it gets some funding and it can prosper. 

    In the end real non-math real non-computer competition that is robust against cheating is what is needed.  

     

     

     

     

  • Nancy1959
    7,289 Posts
    Tue, Nov 20 2018 1:23 AM

    Okay, so I figured that when I posted on this thread that I would get crucified.  I get it, hahaha!

    Anyway, for what it's worth, I am going to respond to some of the questions posed in this thread to me (and I apologize in advance for what is likely to be a long response) and then I'll leave it at that....

    1)  Why do I feel like WGT has taken away any reason to buy the Premier Membership and didn't I get exactly what they promised?  Well, when they offered this $180 membership, it had been about a half year since their created xp glitch (that they didn't fix, and so it was obvious to everyone that it would have taken someone minutes to do so, but it didn't happen because they were making so much money).  Over a year later, this glitch still existed and so many people (including me) renewed this $180 membership.  I wouldn't have purchased this without the xp glitch (nor would anyone I know).  The only reason that I bought it was due to the amount of CC passes that I was buying to take advantage of the WGT created (and not fixed) glitch would be more than paid for by receiving a free pass every four hours instead of every 12 hours.  Do the math and you'll see what I'm saying.  I know some people that were just getting ready to renew their premier membership and then the glitch ended and they were so thrilled they held off.  I can relate.

    2)  Why did I buy the Premier Membership?  As I said, to save money is the primary reason.  But the bigger related question that was asked was why was I going so hard to get more xp.  The answer to that was to be a good CC member.  For the pride of a long streak of being the "CC of the Week", for leveling our CC up faster and continuing to be the highest level club.  It may sound stupid to some, but it gave me some satisfaction.

    3)  One person assumed I did not buy the premier membership each of the last two years, but got them through watching videos.  Nope.  I tried to get free credits a couple of times a long time ago.  Once I managed to either watch a video or take a survey.  To my recollection, it took me about a half hour and I got something like 5 credits.  I don't know about you, but I consider my time worth more than 10 cents an hour.  No, I paid $360 for this.

    4)  In this thread, I never demanded that I be refunded my recent $180 renewal of my Premier Membership.  I simply was asking a question if that would happen now that they have made the premier membership worthless.  To date, nobody has answered that question.  I am not "pee'd off" about it as someone suggested, or "crying" as another suggested.  I'm just wondering, because it seems fair to me.  If the answer is "No" then so be it.  Just watch how many premier or plus memberships WGT sells going forward, LOL.  By the way, Lucky, your post did make me laugh pretty hard.  That was very creative and funny and I appreciate both of those things.

    Fire away now if you want.  I don't really care, hahaha!

  • pmm711
    5,702 Posts
    Tue, Nov 20 2018 1:59 AM

    MainzMan:

    Nancy1959:

    Yes, they have made it meaningless now.  I have close to 79 million xp.  Why would I choose to pay $180 to get a few hundred more xp per round when I use a CC pass....or extra CC passes for that matter?

    If you don't mind me asking, why did you buy Premier Membership? 

    EVERYONE is missing Nancy's "true dilemma"...

    As an ex-member of The Georgian I can speak to the pressure Sue and her directors put on their members to generate value for the CC.  If you're not on their good side you might end up getting booted.  Basically, Sue is a mastermind of brainwashing her members.  How do you stay on their good side?  Well, you generate XPs and help them win clashes.  God forbid if you let them slip from that #1 slot.  If you do, well...GOODBYE.  I can steer you to some recent ex-members from over there who will collaborate what I'm saying and tell you their CC Forum has been an absolute mess of member mistreatment, Clash trash talking, etc. etc. etc.

    Now Nancy's "virtual value" has dropped within the club.  She's crushed (internally).  Yes, Nancy has been extremely well-mannered in her posts, but she's now facing withdraw symptoms from a "virtual addiction" and a "Georgian Brainwashing".

    What Nancy needs to understand is that everyone who was exploiting "the glitch" is now in the same position as she is in.  I took full advantage of the glitch while it lasted, BUT...I never invested money in order to take the glitch to an even greater level of XP generation absurdity.  I, for one, am very glad the glitch is fixed as I can now get back to normal play as it had affected my mindset while trying to assist my CC to level 20 (BTW...we didn't get there).

    My advice to Nancy..."get the fork out of Dodge"...AND...never look back.  You "bought" your Golden Putter and owe The Georgian NOTHING...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Get with a CC that values their members and NOT merely their XP production abilities.  You'll get over that $180 loss a lot quicker, feel saner, and enjoy the game a lot more.  Find a better way to validate your self worth.

    P.S. I didn't create this cartoon 6 years ago for nothing...Nancy, please STOP being a sucker...you've done enough for them...It is done.




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