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Re: Medium vs High Loft Irons

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Sun, Jun 16 2013 7:15 PM (28 replies)
  • FBudd
    208 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 2:45 AM

    MBaggese:

    FBudd:
    Please read.

     

    Live on.

     

    Ya know, I'd waste more time explaining things to you, but you seem so obtuse, that I may as well speak to my 11YO...at least she'd get the gist of things.

     

    I'll try one more time...and type slowly for you.

     

    VEM does not influence the clubs, it influences the player...p l e a s e   r e a d.

     

    Precision within a clubset is how accurate it (the shot) will be.

     

    Why you would, or how you would equate VEM "affecting lower level clubs" is beyond my comprehension...so please old wise one, let me know why or how or where you have heard that...referring to Niv's  "circle of Precision", based on deviation makes no mention of VEM.

     

    Please note the bolded word and try to draw a parallel to higher and lower level clubs.

     

    I'll give you a hint, it starts with P and ends with an n.

     

     

     

    MBaggese:

    FBudd:
    VEM is directly influenced by club PRECISION.

     

    Bzzzt!

     

    Next please.

     

    And you tell me to read.

     

    LMFAO!

     

    You've worn me out man...you win...go get the best clubs ya can, spend ya rent money...better think of them 9 dollar a sleeve balls too, because for sure, they will ward of VEM...oh...rush out for a 1000 cr Avatar to play in, heard it also takes 13.5% VEM factor off.

     

    FFS

     

    Let me know how it all works out for ya.

    So explain to me how does VEM effect the player without going through the equipment? Have you read anything in the VEM patent at all? 

    If you have a shred of logic you would understand the ONLY way for VEM to work is by manipulating how our equipment, balls and clubs, interacts with our input. So tell me again, how is VEM effecting the player, not the equipment?

    You are acting like a total retard with this spend the rent money business, i play with TOUR-SD balls because i think WGT are rippiing people off with the balls and their durability. Other than that i can buy what i like. I own and run my business, so i can play as much as i like. 

    You sound mad and i can only put it down to limited mental capacity and an inability to read and comprehend the written word with basic logic and deducible thought.

    The following is a quote taken directly from the patent, read it very carefully, get an adult to help you sound out the big boy words.

    "Methods and apparatus, including computer program products, for determining a user skill level for user interaction with virtual equipment in an interactive computer game. The virtual equipment is capable of being manipulated through user interaction with an associated representation"

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 2:59 AM

    Just forget about VEM. If you think something is out to get you then it's a slippery slope.

  • FBudd
    208 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 3:30 AM

    courteneyfish:

    Just forget about VEM. If you think something is out to get you then it's a slippery slope.

    Dont throw me in the that bag of characters i am simply stating facts about VEM and quoting comments from WGT Staff about how VEM is implemented.

    I dont fear VEM, i think it is vital to keep this game from going stale, i simply wish to buy the equipment that is least effected by it. 

     

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 4:33 AM

    FBudd:

    I dont fear VEM, i think it is vital to keep this game from going stale, i simply wish to buy the equipment that is least effected by it. 

     

    With respect you have had very good player's telling you over and over how it work's..............The answer's will not change! I am no big wig player and generally keep my own council on VEM.  With out going in to all my machination's on it suffice to say my average scoring always been about right, and never had an issue with equipment like you think possible! Kind of think you have reached the end of the road forum wise. The answers remain as constant as they are contrary to what you think.  You are a one man band on this thinking that's it in a nutshell..I wish you well enjoying your game in your way with your ideas!

  • FBudd
    208 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 5:08 AM

    Jimbog1964:

    FBudd:

    I dont fear VEM, i think it is vital to keep this game from going stale, i simply wish to buy the equipment that is least effected by it. 

     

    With respect you have had very good player's telling you over and over how it work's..............The answer's will not change! I am no big wig player and generally keep my own council on VEM.  With out going in to all my machination's on it suffice to say my average scoring always been about right, and never had an issue with equipment like you think possible! Kind of think you have reached the end of the road forum wise. The answers remain as constant as they are contrary to what you think.  You are a one man band on this thinking that's it in a nutshell..I wish you well enjoying your game in your way with your ideas!

    Ive not had anyone tell me how it works, ive had one person tell me they dont know how it works but they are sure im wrong. Im not looking for answers, or ways to lower my average or to fix issues. After 2 months i am about go to TM, i am leaving myself sub 10ft puts more often then not the last week or two. Read what i type and you will see i am merely talking facts.

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 5:35 AM

    FBudd:
    Read what i type and you will see i am merely talking facts.

    YOU are the one not reading.  YOU have it wrong IMO as explained.  YOU GO READ V CAREFULLY and if you do not agree, don't bother responding as NO MORE TO SAY! Regret that when some very good player's all agree and on the same lines and one not so (yet anyway) accomplished player thinks they are wrong but in a minority of one in doing so............. End of Road Time! Get whatever you like........

     

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 11:44 AM

    FBudd:
    the ONLY way for VEM to work is by manipulating how our equipment, balls and clubs, interacts with our input. So tell me again, how is VEM effecting the player, not the equipment?

    Not exactly. The shot is simply an equation based on the available inputs-ball, club, swing strength, etc. These numbers won't change BUT that factor that VEM presents is nothing more than another variable in that equation. That variable is based on the things that VEM takes into consideration, whatever they are, ostensibly created by your history in this game. 

    The outcome of a result can always be blamed on equipment manipulation but I personally don't think it is. My clubs are no different now then they were when I got them. I think it's the VEM factor I have created in my play, almost as if I have created a "VEM profile" specific to me, that governs the shot results. 

    I understand what the patent says about changing equipment attributes but I also believe that's more of a CYA for the future in the event they wanted to change things, for whatever reason.  WGT claims they don't do this and for the present, I believe them.

  • GypsyGreen
    520 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 4:59 PM

    Try looking at it from this view;... VEM will occasionly turn you (your avatar) into an uncoordinated cave dwelling apeman who will blissfully bugger up any shot with any club because one shiny stick is just as shiny as the other. The better the stick.. the bigger ,more costly, ill timed and or more painfull the screw up will be.

    Just play the game & try to remember not to forget to have FUN!!!!

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 7:15 PM

    FBudd...my final comments...so listen carefully...

     

    Yes...Patent says club attributes can change...WGT sys they DO NoT do that......

     

    Now...forget about the clubs for a wee second...VEM affects a player...starter clubs through R11's...the same...based on players skill level and how skill is progressing or digressing.

     

    If you think VEM is affecting your every shot...ya just plain wrong...why would VEM kick in as you are making an approach on 18 sitting at +1?...and cause your shot to be 15 feet from the flag?...

     

    Think about, take off the tinfoil hat...send me a friend invite and I'd be happy to show you how to get around any course in better fashion...but you must listen...open your mind, and accept that some player just might be better than you are...and it's not that "WGT is holding me back"...I mean why would they?..You think they want to eff up a -2 18 round for you...so you leave and never come back?

     

    Rationalize that if possible please?

     

    Awaiting invite.

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