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Re: 2013 VIRTUAL US OPEN CHAMPION...KRIZTJAN!!

• HAMINH 119 Posts

  Thu, Sep 12 2013 1:22 PM

  LOLserver:

  Awesome golf Kriztjan, you showed nerves of steel in those two great rounds, congratulations

  Really gr8 rounds. VUSO is always toughest test for best players with high difficult conditions & vry high pressures. Kriztijan deserved to be the best shooter of this year. Big Congrats.

   

• TallAcePaul 1,455 Posts

  Thu, Sep 12 2013 2:52 PM

  I am posting here what I said in our country club about 2 weeks after the open.

  'Am I missing something here?

  A player who is not eligible to play in the tournament, for however a stupid reason, changes his nationality superficially to enter the tournament. He wins said tournament and is not allowed to take the first prize because he is not actually eligible and then is awarded a prize anyway because he missed out on a prize he wasn't eligible for.

  Is the world going f*cking mad or is it me.

  Sorry I was on holiday and am just getting up to speed again.

  (Break and someone replied

  When was the last time  A non US player won any major on wgt...

  My take is they dont really want to shell out extra dosh to pay for overseas flights at huge expense to wgt.

  He shouldn't of been able to enter but who's to say that he didn''t move to ********* house, that was his registered address .)

  Surely WGT is saying through this that it is OK to cheat the system and in fact you will get rewarded for it.

  They have admitted that he was not eligible by not letting him take the first prize. If someone in the UK had won they would have had to stump up the fare.

  I cannot think of any reason why he should not be banned. What about all the other guys from countries not able to participate?

   

  To be honest this is unbelievable and I cannot imagine this happening anywhere else. The most difficulty thing about playing in a comp like this is the pressure and playing your best when something is at stake. To have a guy playing (who is very good) without that pressure (he knows he can't actually win the prize) is completely unacceptable. Then to give him a prize anyway, this is surely a definition of insanity.'

  It still annoy's me now as I cannot understand why nothing has happened about it, or has it and that is why I can't seem to get any of the tournament rules displayed any more?

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Thu, Sep 12 2013 4:39 PM

  TallAcePaul:

  I am posting here what I said in our country club about 2 weeks after the open.

  'Am I missing something here?

  A player who is not eligible to play in the tournament, for however a stupid reason, changes his nationality superficially to enter the tournament. He wins said tournament and is not allowed to take the first prize because he is not actually eligible and then is awarded a prize anyway because he missed out on a prize he wasn't eligible for.

  Is the world going f*cking mad or is it me.

  Sorry I was on holiday and am just getting up to speed again.

  (Break and someone replied

  When was the last time  A non US player won any major on wgt...

  My take is they dont really want to shell out extra dosh to pay for overseas flights at huge expense to wgt.

  He shouldn't of been able to enter but who's to say that he didn''t move to ********* house, that was his registered address .)

  Surely WGT is saying through this that it is OK to cheat the system and in fact you will get rewarded for it.

  They have admitted that he was not eligible by not letting him take the first prize. If someone in the UK had won they would have had to stump up the fare.

  I cannot think of any reason why he should not be banned. What about all the other guys from countries not able to participate?

   

  To be honest this is unbelievable and I cannot imagine this happening anywhere else. The most difficulty thing about playing in a comp like this is the pressure and playing your best when something is at stake. To have a guy playing (who is very good) without that pressure (he knows he can't actually win the prize) is completely unacceptable. Then to give him a prize anyway, this is surely a definition of insanity.'

  It still annoy's me now as I cannot understand why nothing has happened about it, or has it and that is why I can't seem to get any of the tournament rules displayed any more?

  Well.....+1 on everything you just said. The changing of country flag thing is funny as hell i can't lie. lol.

  And.....for players vouching for where someone lives is just as funny. Here in the US we call that fraud, lmao! 

  In RL here you go to prison for that.  ;)

  Soooo....in RL here you would have two players in the pokey. :)  Don't drop the soap!!

• 893 Posts

  Thu, Sep 12 2013 5:35 PM

  It all kinda depends on who you know. I know some that can come in here and ask about a tournament payout and it gets paid right after wgt sees the post then some not the same treatment. I can put money on it that if it was a regular legend they would not have been blessed with the same gift but hell who care he played the best and it should be rewarded. Now as you said gerald about people stating they know his address is correct i agree that is funny same guys that beat me in the head over using wgt caddy and said it was a cheat. Well ty wgt for the shot caddy. Buddies will back up buddies here even though what they did is wrong but its only wrong when someone outside their posse does it.

• TallAcePaul 1,455 Posts

  Fri, Sep 13 2013 12:32 AM

  Sadly I think we have all become so used to people and companies working in this way that it has become normal. Gerald it is absolutely fraud and if money is involved then it would be easy to say this is a criminal act.

• thebigeasy707 5,885 Posts

  Fri, Sep 13 2013 1:46 AM

  If WGT have trouble understanding the rules of competition that they themselves have written and are meant to implement, then the rest of us are truly f*cked.

  For what it's worth. Kriz isn't the first person to play under a different flag in a big tournament and win but that's another story. Only difference I see here is that he didn't get the winnings added to his earnings.

  The other(s) didn't get banned, therefore I don't see why Kriz should be punished in any way whatsoever. He lives in Sweden which is punishment enough :)

  With WGT deciding to offer him some sort of prize, this at least sets a precedent for future winners from non eligible countries who can take part in comps but can't receive a prize due to some weird international gaming laws that WGT need to acknowledge and abide by.

  The next time someone from Belgium or any other non eligible country wins the RumpSteak JackA$$ Sponsored Tourney.....how can they not receive a prize of sorts, because a precedent has now been set.

  Anything less would reek of double standards and would be unacceptable.

   

  Just Sayin'

   

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Fri, Sep 13 2013 1:59 AM

  thebigeasy707:

  If WGT have trouble understanding the rules of competition that they themselves have written, then the rest of us are f*cked.

   

  True dat TBE. I was not going to say anything really until Paul brought it up. You must admit though the way this shite went down was down right wrong.

  Paul's post above is pretty much dead on, only reason i even said anything. Really if think about it Paul's last post is dead on also. 

  lol

  Edit: I know some players are not going to like it, but really the players involved committed fraud don't matter how you cut it. " It is what it is " learned that phrase from some of the best here. :)

  Also done to gain said moneys= (prizes). Think about that for a second. Here in the US you go to jail for that. Lets don't get this twisted, they tried to pull a scam, which seems like came out smelling like a rose.

• LOLserver 3,522 Posts

  Fri, Sep 13 2013 5:35 AM

  I always come back to the same stupid conclusion:

  Has WGT updated its "country eligibility" list ever?, has any new country been accepted as "eligible country" since WGT started running??!!....I am almost positive WGT has done nothing about it since it's creation.

  Don't have the statistics handy but I could imagine that all European countries are eligible already including Sweden.

  Damn, update those rules WGT for christ sake!!!! and be more FAIR to all members.

  Eric

• TallAcePaul 1,455 Posts

  Fri, Sep 13 2013 11:00 AM

  I have nothing against Kriztjan at all, I don't know him, but WGT have this dead wrong as it positively encourages people to use deception. Its not as if people need encouraging in this area either as you can read in the forums every day.

  What is to stop me now changing my flag to the States and entering a States only competition. A precedent has been set now and legally WGT would have one hell of a time trying to defend giving me a prize if I won (fat chance).

• thebigeasy707 5,885 Posts

  Sun, Sep 15 2013 6:59 AM

  LOLserver:

  I always come back to the same stupid conclusion:

  Has WGT updated its "country eligibility" list ever?, has any new country been accepted as "eligible country" since WGT started running??!!....I am almost positive WGT has done nothing about it since it's creation.

  Don't have the statistics handy but I could imagine that all European countries are eligible already including Sweden.

  Damn, update those rules WGT for christ sake!!!! and be more FAIR to all members.

  Eric

  It's not the US that are stopping places like Belgium, Italy & Sweden etc from letting WGT award the prizes. It those other governments who have adopted and enforce stricter online gaming / gambling laws.

  I'm sure WGT would like to payout prizes to these non eligible countries but they'd find themselves being fined heavily or closed down.

  I'm fairly certain that WGT's offer of some sort of prize also shows they feel certain parts international gaming laws involving the USA & Europe need addressed which is why they've bent the rules a bit.

  Here's a decent read...if you like reading :)

  tbe