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Sat, Aug 2 2014 7:37 AM (36 replies)
  • WigerToods2010
    8,448 Posts
    Fri, Aug 1 2014 1:56 AM

    Dear Kat,

    Earlier in the thread you asked;

    DaddysKat:
    does WGT choose who they place at the top by level or by date played

    Date played once all other tie breaking rules have been considered.

    I'm 99% sure this is correct as I was fortunate enough to hold off some top notch scores in a WGT weekly event on the game client a month or so ago due to the ruling - I just happened to be among the first entrants to play the tournament and got lucky.

  • mantis0014
    8,946 Posts
    Fri, Aug 1 2014 2:38 AM

    DaddysKat:

    YankeeJim:

    Let the WGT tiebreaking method determine who finished ahead of who.

    Sadly, WGT only determines who won ... they don't determine anything else.  Here's a tourney we ran ... check out the ties for 3rd, 6th and 11th place:

    Edit:  First and 2nd place tied ... and WGT determined who won ... after that, there were ties.

     

    Wgt has done their Tiebreaker system and placed everybody in order.

     

     

    DaddysKat:
    The points awarded aren't really important, but to make this explanation easier, let's say 10 points, for 1st, 9 points for 2nd, 8 points for 3rd, 7 points for 4th, etc. to 1 point for 10th.  I will also give 1 participation point to everyone (so 10th place will get 1 point for 10th and 1 participation point).

    If you're using this points system...  I would give the points from top to bottom... regardless of Ties.

    eg;  GH will get 10 points... PE will get 9 points... MY will get 8 points...TI will get 7 points... MA will get 6 points  etc.

    -Roger

  • oneeyedjohn
    9,589 Posts
    Fri, Aug 1 2014 3:45 AM

    God, I wish our leaderboards were like that, we have one guy who is absolutely taking the pi$$ with every other member. Brackets or strokeplay or team play, he wins everything.

    If u are not a top ten player ( I mean within the CC ) then it is completely pointless entering premium tournaments or credit entry bracket tourneys.

    I used to be in CC's where players like rowletts and sebicu were members, and at least they had the good grace to lay off occasionally to let other members have a chance.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Fri, Aug 1 2014 7:25 AM

    oneeyedjohn:
    God, I wish our leaderboards were like that, we have one guy who is absolutely taking the pi$ with every other member. Brackets or strokeplay or team play, he wins everything.

    Well he ain't winning the current CN Open, there's a tie at the top between 2- 62 average Legends! And that's with a primitive handicapping system, not nearly as comprehensive and fair as Kat's.

    Asking top players to sit down so the commoners can have a chance is silly. Let them have a commoner's tournament and keep the big dogs out. Kinda like a separate sandbox, or something.  :-D

  • mjrgt03
    2,414 Posts
    Fri, Aug 1 2014 8:07 AM

    oneeyedjohn:

    I used to be in CC's where players like rowletts and sebicu were members, and at least they had the good grace to lay off occasionally to let other members have a chance.

    That sounds like a great club to be a part of, John.

     

    Edit:  Sorry to poop on your thread, Kat.  You pose an excellent question.  In the tourneys we've run before, we assigned kind of a reverse point system.  First place gets 50, second place gets 49, third gets 48, etc.  It works for us as our cap of players in the club is 50.  If there was a tie, the points would be averaged, but you would always end up with a full point or a .5 at the end of your score.  For example, if four folks tied for 5th place, that's points values ranging from 46 down to 43, so the sister-kissers each get 44.5 points ((43+44+45+46) / 4).  I don't know if that helps.  :o)

  • DaddysKat
    3,554 Posts
    Fri, Aug 1 2014 10:24 AM

    I think I need to get into a bit more detail here, so I'm going to share an event we recently played in our CC, and the Excel Online Worksheet with the results.  Here is the leaderboard from the gross event (this event maintains gross and net leaderboards):

    (click the image to see the entire Excel Online spreadsheet)

    A word of warning ... the spreadsheet contains active hyperlinks.  Anything that is blue and underlined is a hyperlink.  If you click on a hyperlink, it will open the webpage associated with the linked text.  These are either the player's profile page or the WGT CC Tournament page.

    Some of the hyperlinks contain "Screen Tips" (or Titles).  If you hover your mouse over the hyperlinks, you can see the screen tips.  These are usually under the Score History - Rounds at the top of the worksheet.

    Also, be sure to check the tabs at the bottom of the screen.  There are 7 tabs in the spreadsheet. (Tournament Info, Leaderboard - Gross, Score History - Gross, Tourney History - Gross, Leaderboard - Net, Score History - Net and Tourney History - Net).

    This is the first event of a three or six month event (to be determined by the tournament director).  

    The leaderboard is a points system that is put together after all four rounds have been played and posted to the Score History and Tourney History worksheets.  I put several explanations inside the Excel sheet.  

    This one gave the same points if there was a tie.  Also, participation points were given along with the points received for 1st through 10th place. In this example, 2 participation points were given for each round played.  Only the top 10 players in this event received points (from 80 to 8).

    The system maintains 3 worksheets for each tournament event.  In the worksheet there are two events ... one is gross scores and the other is net scores.

     

    Now, back to my issue.  The only time I can actually award points based on the position shown by the WGT leaderboard is if the event is played Gross and just a single-round event.  

    In this example, if you check out the score history worksheets, you will see that there are players that did not participate in each round.  While I can scan through the Tourney History for players that played all four events, the time required to check each member would prove to be extremely time consuming; especially for large CC's.

    For net events, there is seldom ties; however it does happen.  In this case, I think the best approach is to give the user the option to either award the total points for the player's position or choose a "dead-heat" option of adding together the points and awarding accordingly.  

    Also, for multiple-round events that are played gross, they can have just these two options (position or dead-heat).

    The only issue with multiple-round events like this example, if there is a tie between two players for 1st place, I think that I will need to have the user decide who came in 1st place.  After that, the other players will receive the points based on the user's choice (position or dead-heat).

    For single tourney events that span over a period of time, I think having the 3rd option of awarding points based on WGT position is possible ... since it's a single round, the time necessary to process the scores won't be that difficult.

    Please check out the example and give me your comments for the best method to award points.

    Thanks,

    Kat ♥

     

  • Marco129
    275 Posts
    Sat, Aug 2 2014 7:37 AM

    Just a couple of thoughts:

    To get the spreadsheet to automaticly calculate the participation, check out the "Count" fuction. This will check and count cells which have a value from which you can award participation points.

    For the first place tie issue, you could use the "Rand" function which will generate a random number (or in your case "winner" in case of a tie at the top)

    Question: Does WGT give you an inportable data base for the results or do you have to manually enter it to the spreadsheet?

     

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